Vaccine or not?

[MG1968]

Out of curiosity, since evidence shows that it will decrease your chance of mortality and severe illness, what is your reasoning on why you wouldn’t take that opportunity?

That’s today. There’s no way of knowing what the long-term effects are going to be. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to understand the benefits today, fear the future unknown and risk the now in favor of then.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Fauci says COVID vaccination mandates for school children ‘good idea’

 

[615vols]

Out of curiosity, since evidence shows that it will decrease your chance of mortality and severe illness, what is your reasoning on why you wouldn’t take that opportunity?

Because as I’ve already said, the science and statistics for my age/lifestyle show that the risk to me is basically zero. Why get a vaccination put into my body when there is no need?

 

[Velo Vol]

My personal experience has been that I can rely on my bodies natural immunity system and the natural antibodies that it's developed through having already had covid 6 months ago. My wife recently had covid and thankfully all I got from it was a slight head cold. Everybody's situation is different and I completely understand and have no issue with people who feel they need the jab to be protected. My issue is people need to quit pushing it on others (like myself) who don't feel like they need it and quit celebrating the death of "anti-vaxxers". It's getting beyond stupid at this point.

Why do people push it? Because it's an easily transmitted disease. Just a brief encounter with the air surrounding a stranger is enough catch it. That's how your choice impacts us.

 

[MG1968]

Why do people push it? Because it's an easily transmitted disease. Just a brief encounter with the air surrounding a stranger is enough catch it. That's how your choice impacts us.

If you’re vaccinated and wearing a mask how does his choice affect you?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

% of hospitalizations and death are two very different things. Factoring age can change these percentages significantly. I’m just saying that if you are going to pull out numbers, they need to mean something specifically as there are too many variables to generalize.

Here is the main example I am talking about.

Actually the cdc listed the incidence rate of vaccinated vs unvaccinated right next to the rates. I should have posted it for reference. Here it is
View attachment 384404However incidence rate continues to rise each day as it is the cumulative number of cases per susceptible person in the USA. With delta shooting up the incidence will be much higher in a few weeks. You can see what is the risk of infection in your community is here.
https://healthdata.gov/Health/COVID-19-Community-Profile-Report/gqxm-d9w9
With a case fatality rate of 0.5 to 1 per 100 cases reported with delta and a current 7 day average of 80k cases you can look at that data and decide if the risk of covid is outweighed by a theoretical risk that Covid vaccines may have despite 10+ yrs of mrna vaccine research and no history of previous vaccines causing known major adverse effects after the first year of administration.

You are an engineer. Now look at the calculations I did below and compare it to the graphs you posted and then tell me if there is any significant difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Infections
Vaccinated: 200 out of 100,000 is .2% infected
Unvaccinated: (200 * 8.3) out of 100,000 is 1.66% infected

Hospitalizations
Vaccinated: 3 out of 100,000 is .003% hospitalized
Unvaccinated: (3 * 25.2) out of 100,000 is .0756% hospitalized

Deaths
Vaccinated: 1 out of 100,000 is .001% died
Unvaccinated: (1 * 24) out of 100,000 is .024% died

 

[MAD]

If you’re vaccinated and wearing a mask how does his choice affect you?

So narrow minded.
The unvaccinated are overloading the hospitals to the point it impacts anybody trying to have an elective surgery or anybody who is dying and suffering who is unable to get into the icu. So not getting the vaccine affects all of us.

 

[vols4life1994]

My decision to not take the vaccine is perfectly logical. The statistics show that the risk to me is literally almost zero. I feel no need to get a vaccination that science and statistics show I do not need.

Not attacking or coming at you, just generally stating, maybe the vaccine isn’t just to protect you. Maybe to protect others who do fall in those categories. I got the jab, but not because I’m afraid of the virus. I am young and healthy. I got it to protect my child and for people I come into contact with who are older in my family.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I’m still in disbelief on how many people are misinformed into thinking the vaccine does nothing in regards to prevention of obtaining the virus. While efficacy and immunity has decreased over time, there is plenty of evidence showing that the vaccines still express a decent amount of protection from acquiring the virus, and of course drastically decreasing the likelihood of severe symptoms.

I have heard from countless people that the vaccine does not work and is simply “therapy” because it’s efficacy is essentially not 100%. No vaccine has ever had 100% resistance to a virus. That’s not what defines a vaccine. A vaccine is defined by being a substance used to stimulate your immune system into something that can recognize and fight off the future pathogen that it was provided information about. Sometimes those numbers can be as effective as >90%, and sometimes those numbers can be around 40-60% (the flu vaccine year to year). Regardless, they will all theoretically provide some protection to catching the virus, and as well as ensuring your symptoms if you do catch it are milder than if you had not had it at all.

I can only assume a grown adult who thinks the vaccine is not in their best interest has had to have received some crazy amount of misinformation to get to that point.

t does appear that it may have some (short term) benefit.

But this still says nothing about the long term effects.

I'm not sure how much more needs to be said. Simply not enough time has passed for people to feel comfortable. And even then, they have done so much with this vaccine rollout to block any other alternative therapeutics or treatments and engaged in book burning and censorship, that it now looks as though they are funneling people into using the vaccine... which looks very suspicious.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I just want to point out that being healthy with no preexisting conditions does not exclude any possibility of having a severe case of covid. Regardless of how low you interpret your chances of being significantly ill, there is simply higher risk in abstaining from a vaccine than there is of taking it. Even at your age of 35.

Nothing is perfect, but the odds are clearly in his favor.

 

[Persian Vol]

Because as I’ve already said, the science and statistics for my age/lifestyle show that the risk to me is basically zero. Why get a vaccination put into my body when there is no need?

So your reason is because you are worried about harm from the vaccine?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

My point is that when it comes to deciding on a vaccine or not, one option has more risk than the other, and abstaining from getting vaccinated is in itself a higher risk decision with greater consequences.

How can you say that when all you are looking at is short term benefits and not weighing in the unknown of long term side effects?

 

[GAVol]

If you’re vaccinated and wearing a mask how does his choice affect you?

Because he becomes a carrier, infects other unvaccinated people and burdens the healthcare system. I’m not really worried about getting Covid. I’m worried about everything else I might need from a hospital.

 

[allvol123]

My point is that when it comes to deciding on a vaccine or not, one option has more risk than the other, and abstaining from getting vaccinated is in itself a higher risk decision with greater consequences.

Do you only roll in Volvos? And at the speed limit?

 

[allvol123]

Because he becomes a carrier, infects other unvaccinated people and burdens the healthcare system. I’m not really worried about getting Covid. I’m worried about everything else I might need from a hospital.

Honestly, I dont think you are worried about not being able to receive medical care.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I agree completely. Shaming will never work for those who have legit concerns… at least in their minds. It only emboldens the flawed logic.

Flawed logic of long term effects?

 

[615vols]

So your reason is because you are worried about harm from the vaccine?

No, the reason is covid is almost zero risk to me. I don’t need a vaccine for it, so I’m not going to get it. Same as the the flu vaccine, don’t take those either because I don’t need them. If I was overweight or elderly, or lived with someone who had some sort of health issue that would put them at risk then that would change things. But I’m not.

 

[Persian Vol]

How can you say that when all you are looking at is short term benefits and not weighing in the unknown of long term side effects?

If you appreciate the rarity of developing complications of covid, I’m sure you can appreciate how incredibly rare and unlikely it would be for a vaccine to present with long term side effects based off history and understanding of how vaccines and side effects work. If you can provide strong evidence on a theory on why these vaccinations can produce long term side effects (years down the road) and tell me the physiological possibilities of how this can come to be, I will gladly listen. Otherwise, I’m not going to waste time trying to disprove a pink elephant in the room.

 

[GAVol]

Honestly, I dont think you are worried about not being able to receive medical care.

Honestly… you’re full of **** then.

I know several that have had to go to the hospital the past couple of weeks and wait times, people getting treated in ER hallways, lack of visitation for patient advocacy, patient diversions etc. are horrible here.

 

[allvol123]

Honestly… you’re full of **** then.

I know several that have had to go to the hospital the past couple of weeks and wait times, people getting treated in ER hallways, lack of visitation for patient advocacy, patient diversions etc. are horrible here.

Ok then.

You have probably been alive around 20,000 days. How many of those have you needed unscheduled hospital care?

 

[GAVol]

Flawed logic of long term effects?

I totally get that part of it and everybody has to make their own call. But you know as well as I do that the “I won’t do what you tell me” crowd also has a lot of people are just clueless and won’t trust anybody. Wagging your finger at them isn’t going to help matters.

 

[GAVol]

Ok then.

You have probably been alive around 20,000 days. How many of those have you needed unscheduled hospital care?

I don’t know. You’re the one who is apparently inside my head, thinks I’m lying and smarter than me about my own thoughts, so I should probably just let you answer the question.

 

[allvol123]

I don’t know. You’re the one who is apparently inside my head, thinks I’m lying and smarter than me about my own thoughts, so I should probably just let you answer the question.

I wasnt calling you a liar as much as claiming you're being loose with your wording. And statistically speaking, any concern you have over it, is illogical.

 

[luthervol]

My decision to not take the vaccine is perfectly logical. The statistics show that the risk to me is literally almost zero. I feel no need to get a vaccination that science and statistics show I do not need.

You do you.
We will all be better off as more people are vaccinated.

If science told me that I have a 99% chance of driving from Franklin back to GA without serious injury or death, but that percentage goes up to 99.9% if I wear a seatbelt, I'm wearing a seat belt.

Got to go now, long drive ahead.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So narrow minded.
The unvaccinated are overloading the hospitals to the point it impacts anybody trying to have an elective surgery or anybody who is dying and suffering who is unable to get into the icu. So not getting the vaccine affects all of us.

You are painting a narrative where the ICUs are filling up with nonvaccinated patients when in many of these cases, they only represent a fraction of the beds, not the overwhelming majority of beds.