Vaccine or not?

[whodeycin85]

Delta: Virus levels as high in vaccinated adults as those without


Also when did it become covid pneumonia and not covid 19....isnt pnemonia a different illness all together brought on by virus like the cold and flu...but we dont call it ancpld pneumonia or flu pneumonia....hmmm. Interesting it called something different now..

 

[NorthDallas40]

Delta: Virus levels as high in vaccinated adults as those without


Also when did it become covid pneumonia and not covid 19....isnt pnemonia a different illness all together?? Interesting it called something different now

Not really. Pneumonia is a condition resulting from the illness. In basic terms it’s excessive fluid in the lungs affecting their ability to absorb oxygen. That’s been the case from day 1 with this illness.

 

[whodeycin85]

Not really. Pneumonia is a condition resulting from the illness. In basic terms it’s excessive fluid in the lungs affecting their ability to absorb oxygen. That’s been the case from day 1 with this illness.

Correct....its a results of a virus infection in the lungs....could be any virus..but we never seperated a cold, or flu virus that resulted in pneumonia...we just called it pneumonia....now to scare people they throw covid in front of it..

 

[evillawyer]

Fauci says COVID vaccination mandates for school children ‘good idea’

Yes, it is a damn good idea

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Correct....its a results of a virus infection in the lungs....could be any virus..but we never seperated a cold, or flu virus that resulted in pneumonia...we just called it pneumonia....now to scare people they throw covid in front of it..

Who are "they"? All the epidemiologists and infectious disease experts are likely to have conspired together to make you scared? Some look at it as "making you aware"

 

[AshG]

Who are "they"? All the epidemiologists and infectious disease experts are likely to have conspired together to make you scared? Some look at it as "making you aware"

It's the world's most complicated long con. You should see the offshore groups the Illuminati are funneling the paychecks through.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Who are "they"? All the epidemiologists and infectious disease experts are likely to have conspired together to make you scared? Some look at it as "making you aware"

They is always those with the opposite view.

 

[whodeycin85]

Who are "they"? All the epidemiologists and infectious disease experts are likely to have conspired together to make you scared? Some look at it as "making you aware"

They is mostly MSM using fear porn...Pneumonia has never has a name before it...now to make aure covid is shoved down everyone's throat...its now covid pneumonia...when in fact any virus and infect the lungs causing pneumonia....

 

[ENGRVOL]

Delta: Virus levels as high in vaccinated adults as those without


Also when did it become covid pneumonia and not covid 19....isnt pnemonia a different illness all together brought on by virus like the cold and flu...but we dont call it ancpld pneumonia or flu pneumonia....hmmm. Interesting it called something different now..

While peak viral load in symptomatic disease is the same vaccinated vs unvaccinated the study referenced still states that those vaccinated are less likely to have disease in the first place and overall less risk of transmission. From the paper referenced in the article you gave.
“The results from this large community surveillance study show that vaccination with two doses of BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 still significantly reduces the risk of new PCR-positive SARS-CoV-2 infections.”
Also recent studies have shown that those vaccinated while initially having the same viral load as those unvaccinated if they develop symptoms they clear the infection quicker meaning less time that they are infectious.
Virological characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 vaccine breakthrough infections in health care workers

 

[whodeycin85]

While peak viral load in symptomatic disease is the same vaccinated vs unvaccinated the study referenced still states that those vaccinated are less likely to have disease in the first place and overall less risk of transmission. From the paper referenced in the article you gave.
“The results from this large community surveillance study show that vaccination with two doses of BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 still significantly reduces the risk of new PCR-positive SARS-CoV-2 infections.”
Also recent studies have shown that those vaccinated while initially having the same viral load as those unvaccinated if they develop symptoms they clear the infection quicker meaning less time that they are infectious.
Virological characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 vaccine breakthrough infections in health care workers

Correct. But once infected they have the same viral load and just a likely to spread the virus....thats why i posted this...bottom line...the vax may lower the infection rate..(hard to tell since infection rate is not tracked as much or at all) and it does seem to make symptoms less..which is good, especially for the high risk....but you will as till spread it at the same rate...so 1 could actually argue that getting the vax doesn't help anyone but the person that got the vax...given only 10% of the population has been infected with covid..

 

[NorthDallas40]

While peak viral load in symptomatic disease is the same vaccinated vs unvaccinated the study referenced still states that those vaccinated are less likely to have disease in the first place and overall less risk of transmission. From the paper referenced in the article you gave.
“The results from this large community surveillance study show that vaccination with two doses of BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 still significantly reduces the risk of new PCR-positive SARS-CoV-2 infections.”
Also recent studies have shown that those vaccinated while initially having the same viral load as those unvaccinated if they develop symptoms they clear the infection quicker meaning less time that they are infectious.
Virological characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 vaccine breakthrough infections in health care workers

With Delta we have gone from a 1 in 10 or better chance to a 1 in 3 chance of contracting COVID.

Instead of hammering people on vaccination because frankly we’ve probably got largely what we’re gonna get why not instead expedite the MAb deployment? I’ll state my guess is economics. I saw a price comparison of $25 bucks per jab for PFizer vs $1250 per administration of Regeneron?

 

[allvol123]

With Delta we have gone from a 1 in 10 or better chance to a 1 in 3 chance of contracting COVID.

Instead of hammering people on vaccination because frankly we’ve probably got largely what we’re gonna get why not instead expedite the MAb deployment? I’ll state my guess is economics. I saw a price comparison of $25 bucks per jab for PFizer vs $1250 per administration of Regeneron?

Eh...does fiscal responsibility even factor these days?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Eh...does fiscal responsibility even factor these days?

Oh I was gonna reply with that trust me. They’d rather not spend the money on the citizens health as it cuts into their pork.

 

[allvol123]

Oh I was gonna reply with that trust me. They’d rather not spend the money on the citizens health as it cuts into their pork.

I'm sure there is some global warming somewhere that needs fightin!

 

[whodeycin85]

Oh I was gonna reply with that trust me. They’d rather not spend the money on the citizens health as it cuts into their pork.

Eh...does fiscal responsibility even factor these days?

Detla is 1 in 3 chance of contacting covid??? I haven't heard that...why hasn't the number of world wide infections at least doubled or tripled....not arguing just asking....its literally gone up 1% of the population infected..from 10 to 11%

 

[NorthDallas40]

Detla is 1 in 3 chance of contacting covid??? I haven't heard that...why hasn't the number of world wide infections at least doubled or tripled....not arguing just asking....its literally gone up 1% of the population infected..from 10 to 11%

I was referring to the vaccine efficacy and honestly I stated it poorly. At release PFizer demonstrated I believe a 95% efficacy and against Delta I believe the article linked listed 68% efficacy? Those are numbers I’ve seen elsewhere also?

 

[Zues1]

Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine is set to be one of the most lucrative drugs in the world

 

[whodeycin85]

I was referring to the vaccine efficacy and honestly I stated it poorly. At release PFizer demonstrated I believe a 95% efficacy and against Delta I believe the article linked listed 68% efficacy? Those are numbers I’ve seen elsewhere also?

Gotcha. So covid still not contagious in the US as say H1N1 that infected 60 mil before CDC stopped counting....

 

[NorthDallas40]

Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine is set to be one of the most lucrative drugs in the world

Former FDA head and current PFizer board member Scott Gottleib approves this message.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Gotcha. So covid still not contagious in the US as say H1N1 that infected 60 mil before CDC stopped counting....

No idea honestly

 

[whodeycin85]

No idea honestly

Im just looking at covid cases vs population...38.8 million case vs 328 billion in population..

 

[ENGRVOL]

Correct. But once infected they have the same viral load and just a likely to spread the virus....thats why i posted this...bottom line...the vax may lower the infection rate..(hard to tell since infection rate is not tracked as much or at all) and it does seem to make symptoms less..which is good, especially for the high risk....but you will as till spread it at the same rate...so 1 could actually argue that getting the vax doesn't help anyone but the person that got the vax...given only 10% of the population has been infected with covid..

There are 3 ways being vaccinated helps your community.
1. Though rapidly waning you are less likely to have covid-19 when exposed to the virus and therefore less viral replication meaning less risk that you will be infectious in the first place.
2. If symptomatic while peak load may be the same as unvaccinated you get rid of the virus quicker and less time you are infectious. Will reference this again.
Virological characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 vaccine breakthrough infections in health care workers
3. Much less likely to be hospitalized and less of a burden on a rapidly worsening covid hospitalization crisis in this country.

 

[Persian Vol]

This is not the typical vaccine rollout.

And really? You want me to provide evidence of the unknown? You're not being serious right now? How in the hell can I tell you what unknown side effects this thing may have?

Simply being atypical is not an argument. How exactly will the vaccine cause side effects? I cannot speak for your personal knowledge of the physiological process of how vaccines or medication operate within our bodies, but I would hope that you are basing your “concern” off actual scientific theories on how side effects can somehow manifest years later, rather than conspiratorial generalizations on how “it was rushed”.

 

[MAD]

Simply being atypical is not an argument. How exactly will the vaccine cause side effects? I cannot speak for your personal knowledge of the physiological process of how vaccines or medication operate within our bodies, but I would hope that you are basing your “concern” off actual scientific theories on how side effects can somehow manifest years later, rather than conspiratorial generalizations on how “it was rushed”.

We have a treatment in vaccines-yet we have a pandemic in ignorance.

 

[ENGRVOL]

With Delta we have gone from a 1 in 10 or better chance to a 1 in 3 chance of contracting COVID.

Instead of hammering people on vaccination because frankly we’ve probably got largely what we’re gonna get why not instead expedite the MAb deployment? I’ll state my guess is economics. I saw a price comparison of $25 bucks per jab for PFizer vs $1250 per administration of Regeneron?

I’m pretty pro-vaccine but agree that some people on the pro-vaccine argument are pushing vaccines as the only way to combat covid. Vaccines are the best way to get out of this current pandemic but we should be pursuing multiple avenues to combat this disease especially if there is going to be people who will remain unvaccinated in addition to a large subgroup of our population that are elderly and immunocompromised who won’t get good immunity with vaccines. Not a big fan of gov desantis but he seems to be the only government official spotlighting monoclonal antibody therapy.