Vaccine or not?

[NorthDallas40]

There is a pretty good indication now that the vaccines are safe. The skepticism should be waining.
I'm from Tennessee and live in Alabama. Two of the least vaccinated states. I've heard many people including two sisters who aren't vaccinated because they say they don't trust the vaccines. To quote one sister: "there ain't no telling what's in that shot and what it may do to you." She has the right to be skeptical but she is dumb as **** as far as I'm concerned. I suppose she has that right also though.

She will own her own choices just as you had I will. And there remains zero data about the long term effects if any of the vaccine. We all hope the professionals have eliminated the possibility of long term side effects of mRNA vaccines to the maximum extent they could. In five or ten years we’ll have a great case study since the entire population of the world is currently their guinea pig!

 

[USAFgolferVol]

All?

Interesting.

It was a question. Sort of a gauge on reality

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There is a pretty good indication now that the vaccines are safe. The skepticism should be waining.
I'm from Tennessee and live in Alabama. Two of the least vaccinated states. I've heard many people including two sisters who aren't vaccinated because they say they don't trust the vaccines. To quote one sister: "there ain't no telling what's in that shot and what it may do to you." She has the right to be skeptical but she is dumb as **** as far as I'm concerned. I suppose she has that right also though.

You still ignore the time element and unknown long term effects...

 

[Orangeslice13]

You still ignore the time element and unknown long term effects...

We actually have a pretty good idea on that from the Cov 01 vaccine trials.

 

[NorthDallas40]

We actually have a pretty good idea on that from the Cov 01 vaccine trials.

No data existed before April 2020. Because no vaccine existed.

Look I’m 57 I’m mostly dead anyway. But if I were 25 I’d be struggling with if I really would take it or not. Again we’ll all own our decisions

 

[Hunerwadel]

She will own her own choices just as you had I will. And there remains zero data about the long term effects if any of the vaccine. We all hope the professionals have eliminated the possibility of long term side effects of mRNA vaccines to the maximum extent they could. In five or ten years we’ll have a great case study since the entire population of the world is currently their guinea pig!

Until then there is always worm medicine I guess.

 

[tnmarktx]

Of course Putin realizes Russia has as many stupid people as we do. And btw you are as free as any Russian to take a pass on vaccination.

If that's what you got from that, it was over your head by many miles.

 

[Orangeslice13]

No data existed before April 2020. Because no vaccine existed.

Look I’m 57 I’m mostly dead anyway. But if I were 25 I’d be struggling with if I really would take it or not. Again we’ll all own our decisions

Uuuuuhhh
The Covid19 or cov 02 vaccine is a reboot of the Sars or Cov 01 vaccine base. It began in 2002. It was tested on rats in 04 and even went through human trials. It was pulled from consideration in 2017 because it was believed there was no need for a Covid vaccine. They didn’t just pull this thing from their ass.
Seriously google Cov 01 and read up on it. You will have to Wade through all the Covid 19 stuff but the information is out there.

(I was working for a pharmaceutical company back in the day. They were in on the development. That’s the only reason I know about it)

 

[NorthDallas40]

Until then there is always worm medicine I guess.

Anybody going to Tractor Supply and taking the equivalent of an off label prescription at a dosage for a 2000 lb live stock animal will also own their choice.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Uuuuuhhh
The Covid19 or cov 02 vaccine is a reboot of the Sars or Cov 01 vaccine base. It began in 2002. It was tested on rats in 04 and even went through human trials. It was pulled from consideration in 2017 because it was believed there was no need for a Covid vaccine. They didn’t just pull this thing from their ass.
Seriously google Cov 01 and read up on it. You will have to Wade through all the Covid 19 stuff but the information is out there.

(I was working for a pharmaceutical company back in the day. They were in on the development. That’s the only reason I know about it)

Had no idea what you were referring to in googling COV001 only the COVID-19 vaccines came up So I’ll take your word for it that such data exists I’ve just never seen it referenced.

Also as I’ve stated a couple of times now if the complaint is long term effects I think there is a much better case to win people over in the monoclonal antibodies that should be the goto first choice for anybody with a positive diagnosis. If I ever test positive it will be the first question I ask my doctor.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Had no idea what you were referring to in googling COV001 only the COVID-19 vaccines came up So I’ll take your word for it that such data exists I’ve just never seen it referenced.

Also as I’ve stated a couple of times now if the complaint is long term effects I think there is a much better case to win people over in the monoclonal antibodies that should be the goto first choice for anybody with a positive diagnosis. If I ever test positive it will be the first question I ask my doctor.

Hold on grandpa. I’ll find it for you.

 

[GAVol]

New piece from David French
It’s Time to Stop Rationalizing and Enabling Evangelical Vaccine Rejection

So lazy to throw out the Evangelical red herring.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Had no idea what you were referring to in googling COV001 only the COVID-19 vaccines came up So I’ll take your word for it that such data exists I’ve just never seen it referenced.

Also as I’ve stated a couple of times now if the complaint is long term effects I think there is a much better case to win people over in the monoclonal antibodies that should be the goto first choice for anybody with a positive diagnosis. If I ever test positive it will be the first question I ask my doctor.

I went back and here’s the article I posted for Mcdad the other day. 2012 trial.

Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus - PubMed

 

[NorthDallas40]

Hold on grandpa. I’ll find it for you.

I found this in a quick search. The logic they provided for no FDA approval before was a lack of urgency which correlates with our current case. There is indeed a sense of urgency here.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89998

 

[UT_VOLS13]

No data existed before April 2020. Because no vaccine existed.

Look I’m 57 I’m mostly dead anyway. But if I were 25 I’d be struggling with if I really would take it or not. Again we’ll all own our decisions

NM

 

[NorthDallas40]

I went back and here’s the article I posted for Mcdad the other day. 2012 trial.

Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus - PubMed

That seems to read more like the J&J viral vector vaccine type? Hell I don’t know @kiddiedoc was this an mRNA trial?

But yeah slice that was a vaccine trial I just can’t tell if it’s a mRNA delivery? I had dropped another article before that mentioned the case types in the link I dropped above?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Dave's Carry-out knew about the Covid November 24, 2019.

I was referring to vaccine test data.

 

[Orangeslice13]

That seems to read more like the J&J viral vector vaccine type? Hell I don’t know @kiddiedoc was this an mRNA trial?

But yeah slice that was a vaccine trial I just can’t tell if it’s a mRNA delivery? I had dropped another article before that mentioned the case types in the link I dropped above?

@kiddiedoc is going to get tired of people tagging him every time someone talks to me. Lol

 

[NorthDallas40]

@kiddiedoc is going to get tired of people tagging him every time someone talks to me. Lol

Lol!

 

[NEO]

47 year old family friend is in the ER fighting for her life due to Covid complications. Pneumonia in both lungs and blood clots.

She has been fully vaccinated for months.

 

[RikidyBones]

47 year old family friend is in the ER fighting for her life due to Covid complications. Pneumonia in both lungs and blood clots.

She has been fully vaccinated for months.

I hope she pulls through Neo.

 

[volfanhill]

47 year old family friend is in the ER fighting for her life due to Covid complications. Pneumonia in both lungs and blood clots.

She has been fully vaccinated for months.

Prayers for her

 

[davethevol]

47 year old family friend is in the ER fighting for her life due to Covid complications. Pneumonia in both lungs and blood clots.

She has been fully vaccinated for months.

I’m very sorry. Do you know which vaccine she took?

 

[AshG]

47 year old family friend is in the ER fighting for her life due to Covid complications. Pneumonia in both lungs and blood clots.

She has been fully vaccinated for months.

Praying for the Great Physician to guide those treating her.

 

[Electric Orange]

47 year old family friend is in the ER fighting for her life due to Covid complications. Pneumonia in both lungs and blood clots.

She has been fully vaccinated for months.

Get well soon