Vaccine or not?

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newyorkvol said:
there you go…👍🏻

But I do agree. I wish there was someone who would actually address people’s concerns with vaccination without resorting to shame and name calling.

Kids are obviously a touchy issue. We ALL want the best for them. There are some inconsistencies in how the US is approaching this disease in kids. The CDC is recommending masking and vaccines in youth at ages much younger than many other nations and what even the WHO recommends. And this is contrast against 18 months of data that show serious illness and death from Covid in patients under 18 is similar or lower than other respiratory illnesses.

So, it would be nice to have a discussion about these inconsistencies without being heckled and shamed with appeals to emotion.
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As a parent myself, it isn’t an easy decision but we are not vaccinating our children. Their risks from covid are much lower and the have many decades left in which to exhibit presently unforeseen side effects. Whereas I on the other hand, am at a much higher risk from covid and am „well past halftime“ on life exepectancy as it were. If any variant starts really endangering kids though the caucus would change
 
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OrangeTsar said:
As a parent myself, it isn’t an easy decision but we are not vaccinating our children. Their risks from covid are much lower and the have many decades left in which to exhibit presently unforeseen side effects. Whereas I on the other hand, am at a much higher risk from covid and am „well past halftime“ on life exepectancy as it were. If any variant starts really endangering kids though the caucus would change
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WTF you scared of?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WTF you scared of?
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Have you heard of Thalidomide? It was prescribed for over a decade to treat nausea in pregnant women. Many many years later, scientists figured out that it caused birth defects. With young and still developing lives, statistically significant effects aren’t always seen right away. And this vaccine was rushed through MUCH faster than anything else in history. I will not play Russian Roulette with my kids‘ development when weighed against the low risk (to them) of the current variants of covid. Older Adults on the other hand have much higher risk of death from covid and have long since ceased active growth (except in the waistline 😂). So for me, the calculus is different. sorry about the dark font. Copy and paste went cray cray
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Have you heard of Thalidomide? It was prescribed for over a decade to treat nausea in pregnant women. Many many years later, scientists figured out that it caused birth defects. With young and still developing lives, statistically significant effects aren’t always seen right away. And this vaccine was rushed through MUCH faster than anything else in history. I will not play Russian Roulette with my kids‘ development when weighed against the low risk (to them) of the current variants of covid. Older Adults on the other hand have much higher risk of death from covid and have long since ceased active growth (except in the waistline 😂). So for me, the calculus is different. sorry about the dark font. Copy and paste went cray cray
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The vaccines are perfectly safe and effective.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Have you heard of Thalidomide? It was prescribed for over a decade to treat nausea in pregnant women. Many many years later, scientists figured out that it caused birth defects. With young and still developing lives, statistically significant effects aren’t always seen right away. And this vaccine was rushed through MUCH faster than anything else in history. I will not play Russian Roulette with my kids‘ development when weighed against the low risk (to them) of the current variants of covid. Older Adults on the other hand have much higher risk of death from covid and have long since ceased active growth (except in the waistline 😂). So for me, the calculus is different. sorry about the dark font. Copy and paste went cray cray
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I respect that and have 3 of 4 kids that had Covid. I chose to have them vaccinated as well. For many different reasons, but after looking through the ingredients of the Pfizer vaccine, I couldn’t see any significant potential for long term side effects from things like cholesterol, sodium chloride and sucrose along with some fats.

But honestly, I could just as easily defend them not getting it. In my opinion, without prior infection, under 12 shouldn’t need it. 12-18 should be parental choice. 18-50 should consider depending on health and family history and talking to your MD. 50-65 should be strongly recommended regardless and over 65 should be a no brainer to get it.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Have you heard of Thalidomide? It was prescribed for over a decade to treat nausea in pregnant women. Many many years later, scientists figured out that it caused birth defects. With young and still developing lives, statistically significant effects aren’t always seen right away. And this vaccine was rushed through MUCH faster than anything else in history. I will not play Russian Roulette with my kids‘ development when weighed against the low risk (to them) of the current variants of covid. Older Adults on the other hand have much higher risk of death from covid and have long since ceased active growth (except in the waistline 😂). So for me, the calculus is different. sorry about the dark font. Copy and paste went cray cray
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I’m not questioning your decision but Wikipedia cites to an article written by Marilyn Miller, M.D., which says Thalidomide was first available in Europe in 1957, the defect issue was discovered and it was removed from the European market in 1961, the FDA refused to approve it in the US, and it wasn’t approved for medical use here until 1998.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Bacteria, not virus...

But anyways, with differing situations, you take the appropriate actions. The measures taken for this virus have proven to be extreme and mostly ineffective. I am willing to give Fauci and the guys a big Mulligan last year for the "2 weeks to flatten the curve" even though I knew that wasn't going to do anything. The only reason why I cut them slack for that is because I genuinely think that they were concerned that they may have a serious biological weapon on their hands. But once the data came out and showed that this had an over 99% survival rate (I remember at the time there were rumors of it being only 90-95%), they should have walked everything back. But no, instead, they got more ridiculous and got more Draconian with their expansion of powers.
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Right.....but the whole point is to use the appropriate treatment that is available
 
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