Vaccine or not?

[tnmarktx]

The vaccines still lower your risks. We have evidence showing that if you've been naturally infected with COVID-19 and you aren't vaccinated, your risk of getting reinfected with symptomatic disease is about 2.5–fold higher.

Why would I risk side effects when I have better immunity than a vaccinated person? You and others that want to see people fired for not taking a vaccine have proclaimed it to be the end all be all.

 

[RockyTop85]

Double post

 

[kiddiedoc]

The vaccines still lower your risks. We have evidence showing that if you've been naturally infected with COVID-19 and you aren't vaccinated, your risk of getting reinfected with symptomatic disease is about 2.5–fold higher.

Ha! I knew you would pull out this gem. See above.

BTW, "Science" would actually ask for a clarification on "2.5-fold higher." What are the numbers?

 

[tnmarktx]

You asked him whether science says to vaccinate those with natural immunity, not whether natural immunity or vaccine was better.

Why would I risk side effects when I have better immunity than a vaccinated person? You and others that want to see people fired for not taking a vaccine have proclaimed it to be the end all be all.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Why would I risk side effects when I have better immunity than a vaccinated person? You and others that want to see people fired for not taking a vaccine have proclaimed it to be the end all be all.

Read through the Twitter link I posted above. He more eloquently explains that the risk of adverse effect from vaccination following infection far outweighs any additional conferred benefit, as the protection is already fantastic with naturally-acquired immunity.

 

[TheDeeble]

Ha! I knew you would pull out this gem. See above.

BTW, "Science" would actually ask for a clarification on "2.5-fold higher." What are the numbers?

I asked and tried to find it when this article was posted a few weeks ago. No answer.

 

[tnmarktx]

I'm sick of low life scum that want people fired from their job for choosing not to take a vaccine and attempting to come across from a position of high intelligence, when they don't follow the science.

 

[RockyTop85]

Lol, did you even read what you posted. The article did not dispute scientific fact that natural immunity is better than a mRNA vaccination. What if you acquired natural immunity before the inception of the vaccine?

He was asked whether “science” says to vaccinate those with natural immunity.

He provided an answer to the question to the extent it’s a question that can be answered. “Science” would only be used determine whether there is a benefit. The article and the study says there is some benefit to getting vaccinated despite prior infection.

Now you’ve moved the goalposts to comparing which one is “better” regardless of the other, which is a far different query.

 

[kiddiedoc]

He provided an answer to the question to the extent it’s a question that can be answered. “Science” would only be used determine whether there is a benefit. The article and the study says there is some benefit to getting vaccinated despite prior infection.

Actually, it does not. The small paper from Kentucky (which I posted) contains several limitations, which are listed in the Discussion section. "Science" would require a statically-significant reduction in symptomatic infection, and I have not seen a single larger study demonstrating that, yet.

If anyone has a link, please post.

 

[tnmarktx]

He was asked whether “science” says to vaccinate those with natural immunity.

He provided an answer to the question to the extent it’s a question that can be answered. “Science” would only be used determine whether there is a benefit. The article and the study says there is some benefit to getting vaccinated despite prior infection.

Now you’ve moved the goalposts to comparing which one is “better” regardless of the other, which is a far different query.

No, the science does not say to risk side effects from a vaccine if you have natural immunity.

 

[kiddiedoc]

If interested, and anyone has time, run the data on natural immunity + vaccine using the large Israeli study from a couple weeks ago.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Sounds like the guy Tyler Durden and mad4vols get their information from.

To be fair, the State of TN got caught a couple weeks ago under-reporting hospitalizations (almost 100% of which were unvaccinated).

Neither side has the moral high ground here when it comes to portraying relevant info.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

 

[Septic]

Interesting article.

This is what I took away from it and I quote "The vaccines that are currently available are safe, effective, and save lives. "

 

[Sandman 423]

He was asked whether “science” says to vaccinate those with natural immunity.

He provided an answer to the question to the extent it’s a question that can be answered. “Science” would only be used determine whether there is a benefit. The article and the study says there is some benefit to getting vaccinated despite prior infection.

Now you’ve moved the goalposts to comparing which one is “better” regardless of the other, which is a far different query.

so vaxed people should actively seek infection since they will benefit from the natural immunity to go along with the synthetic?

 

[RockyTop85]

Actually, it does not. The small paper from Kentucky (which I posted) contains several limitations, which are listed in the Discussion section. "Science" would require a statically-significant reduction in symptomatic infection, and I have not seen a single larger study demonstrating that, yet.

If anyone has a link, please post.

No “science” wouldn’t require that.

Lower rate of infection regardless of symptoms is a benefit that supports recommendation of vaccination to previously infected individuals. Particularly when the agency or individual doing the recommending is concerned with an entire population and not themselves.

Also, Table 2 of the study you posted contains the raw data that they used to calculate the odds ratio.

 

[RockyTop85]

so vaxed people should actively seek infection since they will benefit from the natural immunity to go along with the synthetic?

That’s up to them. It comes with the risk of severe breakthrough infection.

 

[evillawyer]

Solid

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Interesting article.

This is what I took away from it and I quote "The vaccines that are currently available are safe, effective, and save lives. "

That's a given. However further booster shots are not needed at this time.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Vaccines beat natural immunity in fight against COVID-19

LOL

 

[kiddiedoc]

No “science” wouldn’t require that.

Lower rate of infection regardless of symptoms is a benefit that supports recommendation of vaccination to previously infected individuals. Particularly when the agency or individual doing the recommending is concerned with an entire population and not themselves.

Also, Table 2 of the study you posted contains the raw data that they used to calculate the odds ratio.

It actually does not. Let me help:

Using the Worldometer site, I'm seeing 272,502 cases in Kentucky, as of Jan 1, 2021 (which is the baseline set used in the article). They found a total of 246 cases of "breakthrough infection" to study, which yields a total breakthrough infection rate of 0.09%. Broken down by vaccination status, vaccinated/recovered people comprised 0.023% of the total, and unvaccinated 0.066% of the total, for an inferred protection factor of 0.04%, or 4 in 10,000.

 

[RockyTop85]

No, the science does not say to risk side effects from a vaccine if you have natural immunity.

Right, science cannot say that. I already addressed the problems with your question.

As I said, he posted a study which gives evidence of benefits to getting vaccinated even if you’ve had natural immunity.

Moving the goalposts to “which is better” is disingenuous.

 

[tnmarktx]

Right, science cannot say that. I already addressed the problems with your question.

As I said, he posted a study which gives evidence of benefits to getting vaccinated even if you’ve had natural immunity.

Moving the goalposts to “which is better” is disingenuous.

The bottom line is natural immunity is better than a vaccination. The risk of side effects from taking the vaccination on top of natural immunity, outway the benefit. Follow the science.

 

[evillawyer]

Thx Joe

 

[Sea Ray]

Solid

And you thought what a (counter) protestor in Canada puts on a cardboard box is worthy of a post here???