Vaccine or not?

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kiddiedoc said:
It actually does not. Let me help:

Using the Worldometer site, I'm seeing 272,502 cases in Kentucky, as of Jan 1, 2021 (which is the baseline set used in the article). They found a total of 246 cases of "breakthrough infection" to study, which yields a total breakthrough infection rate of 0.09%. Broken down by vaccination status, vaccinated/recovered people comprised 0.023% of the total, and unvaccinated 0.066% of the total, for an inferred protection factor of 0.04%, or 4 in 10,000.
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Yes, it actually does. Let me help:

They acknowledge that they don’t know the actual number of breakthrough infections because of limited availability of information. They rely on the number of people specifically reported to two databases to confirm vaccination and infection and then case-matched based on age and other factors to make a superior apples to apples comparison.

It would be misleading and borderline dishonest of them to represent that the cases they identified were a total breakthrough infection rate by roping in the state’s total number of cases.
 
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tnmarktx said:
The bottom line is natural immunity is better than a vaccination. The risk of side effects from taking the vaccination on top of natural immunity, outway the benefit. Follow the science.
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That’s not the question you asked, that’s the one you moved the goalposts too. It’s still disingenuous.

Also, the science does not say that the risk of side effects from the vaccination on top of natural immunity outweigh (or outway) the benefit. I’m pretty sure the science doesn’t even know what the risks of the vaccine or vaccine after infection are. That’s why you had to move the goalposts.
 
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Sea Ray said:
And you thought what a (counter) protestor in Canada puts on a cardboard box is worthy of a post here???
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I’m sure it’s just an effort to document the people who say vaccination is such an existential threat that the government should mandate it also act so immaturely as to encourage people to be more reluctant to get vaccinated.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Yeah, it does. The vaccine is the end all be all. Natural immunity is better than that. There are recorded risks of taking the covid vaccine. Those risks are mitigated by not taking it. It's very simple.
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So you are moving the goalposts from risks > benefits to “risks exist.”
 
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RockyTop85 said:
So you are moving the goalposts from risks > benefits to “risks exist.”
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Unless that risk goes to ZERO by doing both then you’re the one trying to move the goalposts. Maybe the reason we don’t hear of reinfections is because they are virtually nonexistent. I think those with natural immunity are ok with not moving their alleged risk factor down a hundred thousandth of a percentage and definitely don’t want to take a vaccine they do not need.
 
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C-south said:
Unless that risk goes to ZERO by doing both then you’re the one trying to move the goalposts. Maybe the reason we don’t hear of reinfections is because they are virtually nonexistent. I think those with natural immunity are ok with not moving their alleged risk factor down a hundred thousandth of a percentage and definitely don’t want to take a vaccine they do not need.
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Furthermore, anyone that thinks people should be fired for not taking the vaccine, can go to hell. I will take that opinion with me to my grave and treat those people the way they deserve to be treated.
 
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C-south said:
Unless that risk goes to ZERO by doing both then you’re the one trying to move the goalposts. Maybe the reason we don’t hear of reinfections is because they are virtually nonexistent. I think those with natural immunity are ok with not moving their alleged risk factor down a hundred thousandth of a percentage and definitely don’t want to take a vaccine they do not need.
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How am I moving goalposts, “unless that risk goes to ZERO?”

Where did I establish that as a goalpost?
 
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tnmarktx said:
Furthermore, anyone that thinks people should be fired for not taking the vaccine, can go to hell. I will take that opinion with me to my grave and treat those people the way they deserve to be treated.
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I think there are people dumb enough to believe vaccine mandates are actually a selling point to get people to go to work. 🤣
 
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C-south said:
Because moving an already virtually non existent risk possibly slightly lower is moot. The risk of any side effects from the vaccine aren’t worth that minuscule speck of “extra protection”.
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Ok. So you don’t understand what moving the goalposts means. That’s ok.

Is there any reason we should all just accept your conclusions about what people want rather than having an honest discussion about what the benefits and risks of the vaccine are and letting individuals make up their own minds?
 
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tnmarktx said:
Furthermore, anyone that thinks people should be fired for not taking the vaccine, can go to hell. I will take that opinion with me to my grave and treat those people the way they deserve to be treated.
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Anyone that thinks businesses shouldn't have the ability to require their employees to be vaccinated can go to hell. I will take that opinion with me to the grave.
 
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tnmarktx said:
That's exactly what people should be able to do. Without anyone telling them how it should be or mandated by the gov.
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Well you’re the one categorically saying that “the risks outway[sic] the benefits” when that is an individual determination based on an individual’s potential benefits, risks, and personal willingness to tolerate the latter.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Well you’re the one categorically saying that “the risks outway[sic] the benefits” when that is an individual determination based on an individual’s potential benefits, risks, and personal willingness to tolerate the latter.
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Science still states natural immunity is the best.
 
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