Vaccine or not?

[NurseGoodVol]

I'm one screwed up individual. I'll never fully recover from 2013, say my doctors.

Well, your body took allot if I remember correctly. Long drawn out recovery takes a toll.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

She got a “warning” …

Hell who hasn’t!

I think we have all got posts removed at one time or another.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[Vjcvette]

Why do you have to tread lightly in here? Can you not support your stances with logic, civil discourse and common courtesy or must you use other more vulgar means to prove your points that would cause you board reprimand issues?

Being too aggressive in a debate warning

 

[Wafflestomper]

Did you ignore the latest adverse events data from the CDC posted here earlier that listed over 800k adverse events have been reported in response to the shots? That qualifies as the shots compromising the health and safety of others.

Does it though? Anyone can report to VAERS, which includes people with vaccine derangement syndrome and people who have improperly diagnosed themselves.

 

[WBO]

They have a 99% chance of survival. I’m sure that disappoints you.

Let's just go with your assumption that the survival rate is 99% (I wonder if you're including vaccinated who contract but don't die because of the vaccine, because that is comparing apples and oranges). If all Americans are exposed (isn't that what the anti-vaxxers have claimed) then those people say we would have herd immunity. But your 1% means 3.3 million would die. As long as they are all anti-vaxxers, I am good with that.

 

[ButchPlz]

Does it though? Anyone can report to VAERS, which includes people with vaccine derangement syndrome and people who have improperly diagnosed themselves.

How about the European equivalent system, which to my knowledge can only be used by doctors?

 

[ButchPlz]

Let's just go with your assumption that the survival rate is 99% (I wonder if you're including vaccinated who contract but don't die because of the vaccine, because that is comparing apples and oranges). If all Americans are exposed (isn't that what the anti-vaxxers have claimed) then those people say we would have herd immunity. But your 1% means 3.3 million would die. As long as they are all anti-vaxxers, I am good with that.

You know this is not an "assumption", right?

 

[Septic]

Lol at that dudes hair.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Let's just go with your assumption that the survival rate is 99% (I wonder if you're including vaccinated who contract but don't die because of the vaccine, because that is comparing apples and oranges). If all Americans are exposed (isn't that what the anti-vaxxers have claimed) then those people say we would have herd immunity. But your 1% means 3.3 million would die. As long as they are all anti-vaxxers, I am good with that.

Ok

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ok

I’m guessing it hasn’t dawned on him that he’s helping your case and showing the survival rate is likely higher than you claimed

 

[ButchPlz]

Here's a reason why I don't trust much of the "science" around this stuff. This is not an isolated event (see also: studies around child transmission being false, the whole study at the start of this that horrifically inflated projections, etc.)

 

[Jxn Vol]

I’m guessing it hasn’t dawned on him that he’s helping your case and showing the survival rate is likely higher than you claimed

I only wish these folks cared about cardiac disease and cancer as much as covid. I picture all these goobers as obese and unhappy with life. That makes it make sense to how they comment.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I only wish these folks cared about cardiac disease and cancer as much as covid. I picture all these goobers as obese and unhappy with life. That makes it make sense to how they comment.

I don’t care about any of it… until they start abusing Beagle puppies. Now it’s on like Donkey Kong bitches!

 

[Big Orange#1]

New VAERS numbers have been published.

818,042 Adverse Events
127,641 Doctor Visits
83,412 Hospitalizations
92,017 Urgent Care
26,199 Disabled
10,179 Bell's Palsy
10,304 Myocarditis
8,408 Heart Attacks
2,631 Miscarriages
17,128 Deaths

100% Safe And Effective


COVID Vaccine Data

I’m sure most of them are legit, but anyone can post a VAERS report unverified.

 

[Septic]

I’m sure most of them are legit, but anyone can post a VAERS report unverified.

If anyone can post a VAERS and this is a political football - why would you assume that most are legit? I'd call them worthless at best.

 

[Big Orange#1]

Have you ever looked up the 5-year mortality for a young person that ends up with myocarditis? It's very bad.

And now we've got countries suspending the vaccines for my age group because of way high instances of those conditions.

But I guess that's all just made up conspiracy.

Not an expert but I believe that mortality number is from chronic/untreated myocarditis. Myocarditis that is treated or resolves quickly returns to pretty much normal. Avoiding heart swelling at all is preferred obviously. but we’ve all likely had temporary myocarditis throughout our life as a result of an influenza, covid, or other viral infection and never knew it. Once the infection (or vaccine reaction) resides it typically resolves.

 

[Big Orange#1]

If anyone can post a VAERS and this is a political football - why would you assume that most are legit? I'd call them worthless at best.

Yeah who knows what percent is fake. But doctors report to VAERS as well. I wish the real reports couldn’t be mixed in there with the junk reports. A 24 year old I know was hospitalized after her second shot of Moderna with pericarditis a couple weeks ago. Her heart rate went up to 160 resting and they put her on some kind of IV anti inflammatory and it resolved by the evening. So that’s one legit example I know personally of a VAERS incident reported by her doctors.

 

[DynaLo]

Does it though? Anyone can report to VAERS, which includes people with vaccine derangement syndrome and people who have improperly diagnosed themselves.

And the CDC has stated the PCR test, used since the beginning of Covid testing, can’t distinguish between the flu and Covid. Wow, I wonder how many false positives have been counted as actual Covid cases. Now, what was your point?

 

[MAD]

I am glad he is saying this but it is too late now. The damage of lies over the vaccine has been done.

Fox News’s Neil Cavuto ‘begs’ viewers to ‘stop the politics’ and get Covid vaccine

 

[Septic]

Yeah who knows what percent is fake. But doctors report to VAERS as well. I wish the real reports couldn’t be mixed in there with the junk reports. A 24 year old I know was hospitalized after her second shot of Moderna with pericarditis a couple weeks ago. Her heart rate went up to 160 resting and they put her on some kind of IV anti inflammatory and it resolved by the evening. So that’s one legit example I know personally of a VAERS incident reported by her doctors.

I just looked at VAERS website and a few on the front page were reports of known side effects. Apparently feeling chills, having a headache and feeling tired after the second dose was a surprise to some people. How many people have reported that would be telling. American's are idiots so it's likely.

I have twin 17 year old boys who are knee deep in sports, none of their friends have suffered adverse reactions - so we have that going for us as far as anecdotes go, which is nice.

 

[VolinWayne]

If anyone can post a VAERS and this is a political football - why would you assume that most are legit? I'd call them worthless at best.

Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment. I would like to think that we don't have that many people willing to lie about something where they really have nothing to gain.

 

[ButchPlz]

Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment. I would like to think that we don't have that many people willing to lie about something where they really have nothing to gain.

And to second this, I just request that folks check out the data on systems that only allow authorized users so they may see things for themselves.

 

[Septic]

Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment. I would like to think that we don't have that many people willing to lie about something where they really have nothing to gain.

Maybe. But some (you?) repeated lies about the election for months knowing it wouldn't change anything - it just made you feel better. You may not have believed they were lies, but you pushed them anyway - just like the Q whackos.

Sometimes shaping the narrative is enough for the politically motivated.

 

[Septic]

And to second this, I just request that folks check out the data on systems that only allow authorized users so they may see things for themselves.

VAERS - Report an Adverse Event Step 1

It wouldn't surprise me if there were hordes of anti-vaxxers filling these out on the regular.

You can get away with a lot online with public wifi.

I trust VAERS as much as I trusted Guarantano to not throw late over the middle.