Vaccine or not?

[Septic]

It’s a crime to submit those kinds of reports. They should be prosecuted based on how that database is used. The database should be trusted. Wikipedia has no such protections or trust and never has.

Is and ought aren't distinctions that are often made by wrongdoers with an agenda.

 

[Jxn Vol]

No ones cried over vaccines at this level until now.

No long term safety data will often facilitate those feelings. Especially if they are being backed into a corner by idiots that don’t understand that.

 

[Vjcvette]

And the vax doesnt fix that.

If we cared about spread we would be pushing testing for everyone. That's the only way to be reasonably sure if you are a risk or not.

Vaxxed and unvaxxed who test negative are safe to be around.
Vaxxed and unvaxxed who test positive are a risk to be around.

Anything else is political, and not medical.

The only way to do that is that everybody would have to test everyday unless they would just stay at home and nobody is going to get
tested everyday and people have to work, so that would not work

 

[NorthDallas40]

Is and ought aren't distinctions that are often made by wrongdoers with an agenda.

Huh? They purposely corrupted a database used by healthcare professionals which is a crime. Prosecute them. However until it’s shown that the data is statistically compromised by these intrusions it’s good to use. That’s it. I don’t think the 5 to 10 anecdotal cases getting offered up meets that bar. Get some statistics on questionable effects claims and then we’ll talk.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The only way to do that is that everybody would have to test everyday unless they would just stay at home and nobody is going to get
tested everyday and people have to work, so that would not work

So is this about actually protecting the health of the population or just providing the perception that they are protecting the health of the population? And no, “kinda” protecting the health doesn’t pass the bar when you are asking people to give up their civil liberties.

 

[tnmarktx]

So is this about actually protecting the health of the population or just providing the perception that they are protecting the health of the population? And no, “kinda” protecting the health doesn’t pass the bar when you are asking people to give up their civil liberties.

It's actually just political and purposely demonizing those that disagree with you. It has nothing to do with science, health, or especially intelligence.

 

[Septic]

Huh? They purposely corrupted a database used by healthcare professionals which is a crime. Prosecute them. However until it’s shown that the data is statistically compromised by these intrusions it’s good to use. That’s it. I don’t think the 5 to 10 anecdotal cases getting offered up meets that bar. Get some statistics on questionable effects claims and then we’ll talk.

Ok, it's a crime. They should be prosecuted, I agree. As a side, pirating music and software is a crime - but it still happens all day every day.

What "statistically" significant amount of BS in the database would you concede as acceptable? As a side, do you think any physician worth their salt is making recommendations to his or her patients based on the covid vaccine VAERS reports, given the politically charged nature and open reporting it allows?

 

[utvolpj]

Ok, it's a crime. They should be prosecuted, I agree. As a side, pirating music and software is a crime - but it still happens all day every day.

What "statistically" significant amount of BS in the database would you concede as acceptable? As a side, do you think any physician worth their salt is making recommendations to his or her patients based on the covid vaccine VAERS reports, given the politically charged nature and open reporting it allows?

Based on an earlier post I would think there are physicians using it just as they have in the past

Just to clarify: physicians and medical institutions have relied on VAERS for many years, and we've never been told to be suspicious of it. . . . Until now.



Seems odd.

 

[Septic]

So is this about actually protecting the health of the population or just providing the perception that they are protecting the health of the population? And no, “kinda” protecting the health doesn’t pass the bar when you are asking people to give up their civil liberties.

Help Keep Children Healthy: Get School Immunizations Now

Did you feel this way when you and your kids were required to get the following immunization - or is the vaccine that has proven to be safe and effective for the global pandemic the one where your liberty is suddenly trampled?

Children enrolling in Tennessee childcare facilities, preschool, pre-kindergarten


Infants entering childcare facilities must be up-to-date at the time of enrollment and are required to provide an updated certificate by 18 months of age showing they have completed all of the required vaccines.
• Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis (DTaP, or DT if appropriate)
• Poliomyelitis (IPV or OPV)
• Measles, Mumps, Rubella – One dose of each, usually given together as MMR
• Varicella – One dose or history of disease
• Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib) – Age younger than 5 years only
• Hepatitis B (HBV)
• Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV) – Age younger than 5 years only
• Hepatitis A – One dose, required by 18 months of age or older

Children enrolling in kindergarten
• Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis (DTaP, or DT)
• Hepatitis B (HBV)
• Measles, Mumps, Rubella – Two doses of each, usually given together as MMR
• Poliomyelitis (IPV or OPV) – Final dose on or after the 4th birthday
• Varicella – Two doses or history of disease
• Hepatitis A – Total of two doses, spaced at least six months apart

All children entering seventh grade (including currently enrolled students)
• Tetanus-Diphtheria-Pertussis booster (Tdap) – Not required if a Td booster dose given less than five years before seventh-grade entry is recorded on the DTaP/Td line

Children who are new enrollees in a Tennessee school in grades other than kindergarten or seventh grade
• Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis (DTaP, or DT)
• Measles, Mumps, Rubella – Two doses of each, usually given together as MMR
• Poliomyelitis (IPV or OPV) – Final dose on or after the 4th birthday
• Varicella – Two doses or history of disease
• Hepatitis B (HBV)

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Number 1. I have not mentioned anything about someone's job
Number 2. Any stats that I have posted are from the CDC, so take it up with them
Number 3. Quit being a drama queen

Number 3... Ironic

 

[Septic]

Based on an earlier post I would think there are physicians using it just as they have in the past

I saw what he wrote, its distinctly different in context to what I said.

I wouldn't use a physician who relies on the covid vaccine VAERS to make an informed decision. This is not to say VAERS wouldn't be an invaluable tool for other non politically charged medications.

 

[utvolpj]

I saw what he wrote, its distinctly different in context to what I said.

I wouldn't use a physician who relies on the covid vaccine VAERS to make an informed decision. This is not to say VAERS wouldn't be an invaluable tool for other non politically charged medications.

Oh so it's an invaluable tool to use for everything else just not this one? Got it

 

[Septic]

Oh so it's an invaluable tool to use for everything else just not this one? Got it

Yes, actually.

I can't imagine there are significant numbers feeling the need to skew the numbers of other vaccines or medications.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, the covid vaccine is a fractious issue. I'll digress when there's a thread about the TDAP and MMR immunizations.

 

[Vol423]

I saw what he wrote, its distinctly different in context to what I said.

I wouldn't use a physician who relies on the covid vaccine VAERS to make an informed decision. This is not to say VAERS wouldn't be an invaluable tool for other non politically charged medications.

I'm sure physicians worldwide are broken up to hear this.

 

[Septic]

I'm sure physicians worldwide are broken up to hear this.

d0 yOu 7HinK?

 

[Vjcvette]

So is this about actually protecting the health of the population or just providing the perception that they are protecting the health of the population? And no, “kinda” protecting the health doesn’t pass the bar when you are asking people to give up their civil liberties.

This was in reference to a previous post by LouderVol saying that everyone could get tested to be safe about covid, but you would have to test everyday for that method to work
and then you would have to stay home so you would not get infected, so that method will not work

 

[Wafflestomper]

And the CDC has stated the PCR test, used since the beginning of Covid testing, can’t distinguish between the flu and Covid. Wow, I wonder how many false positives have been counted as actual Covid cases. Now, what was your point?

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? VAERS encourages people to report potential adverse reactions even if they're not sure a vaccine caused it, which makes it pretty likely for non-vaccine-related reactions to be reported, especially with all the attention the topic gets.

 

[85SugarVol]

Over 700,000 thousand people have died, there is a vaccine to prevent it, end of story

What a remarkably simplistic worldview

 

[VolStrom]

d0 yOu 7HinK?

You really need to stop reading your kids cell phone messages.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I concur. Until then, it's the Wikipedia of medicine.

You should see what’s been edited out of anything to do with covid in wiki since 2020.

 

[508mikey]

WATCH: Gov. Pritzker outlines preparations for pediatric vaccination approval | CIProud.com

 

[ButchPlz]

What a remarkably simplistic worldview

Not going to point out that she's saying 700 million people have died?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Help Keep Children Healthy: Get School Immunizations Now

Did you feel this way when you and your kids were required to get the following immunization - or is the vaccine that has proven to be safe and effective for the global pandemic the one where your liberty is suddenly trampled?

Children enrolling in Tennessee childcare facilities, preschool, pre-kindergarten


Infants entering childcare facilities must be up-to-date at the time of enrollment and are required to provide an updated certificate by 18 months of age showing they have completed all of the required vaccines.
• Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis (DTaP, or DT if appropriate)
• Poliomyelitis (IPV or OPV)
• Measles, Mumps, Rubella – One dose of each, usually given together as MMR
• Varicella – One dose or history of disease
• Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib) – Age younger than 5 years only
• Hepatitis B (HBV)
• Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV) – Age younger than 5 years only
• Hepatitis A – One dose, required by 18 months of age or older

Children enrolling in kindergarten
• Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis (DTaP, or DT)
• Hepatitis B (HBV)
• Measles, Mumps, Rubella – Two doses of each, usually given together as MMR
• Poliomyelitis (IPV or OPV) – Final dose on or after the 4th birthday
• Varicella – Two doses or history of disease
• Hepatitis A – Total of two doses, spaced at least six months apart

All children entering seventh grade (including currently enrolled students)
• Tetanus-Diphtheria-Pertussis booster (Tdap) – Not required if a Td booster dose given less than five years before seventh-grade entry is recorded on the DTaP/Td line

Children who are new enrollees in a Tennessee school in grades other than kindergarten or seventh grade
• Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis (DTaP, or DT)
• Measles, Mumps, Rubella – Two doses of each, usually given together as MMR
• Poliomyelitis (IPV or OPV) – Final dose on or after the 4th birthday
• Varicella – Two doses or history of disease
• Hepatitis B (HBV)

WOW...

 

[Vjcvette]

Not going to point out that she's saying 700 million people have died?

Your math is wrong, you have too many 0's

 

[ButchPlz]

Your math is wrong, you have too many 0's

700,000 thousand?