Vaccine or not?

[Big Orange#1]

Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment. I would like to think that we don't have that many people willing to lie about something where they really have nothing to gain.

So is faking a vaccination card and people still doing that all over the place. Majority of people know they’ll never actually get prosecuted for something like that.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Gov Abbott on Fox News right now. Addressed the impending Dec 8 deadline for federal contractor vaccination. He doubled down on if you are a Texan you will not be impacted by the vax EOs so I have to believe a 10th amendment challenge is coming from AG Paxton

 

[kiddiedoc]

Just to clarify: physicians and medical institutions have relied on VAERS for many years, and we've never been told to be suspicious of it. . . . Until now.

Seems odd.

 

[VolinWayne]

Adverse reactions are absolutely real! Sure, there could possibly be antivaxxers that are filling out some false reports but that doesn't take away the fact that there are numerous cases like this happening and mainstream tries to hide it. Its extremely sad to me that people choose to turn a blind eye to this and try to make it political.


Fascist Comcast Pulls Ad Highlighting Horrific Side Effects of the Covid “Vaccine” — Grieving Mother Appeals to Dictator Biden

Maddie de Garay volunteered for the Pfizer trial for 12–15-year-olds and received her first dose on 12/30/20 and her second dose on 1/20/21. At free the approval for the Pfizer vaccine for 12–15-year-olds in May, she was unblinded and confirmed that she got the vaccine.

Maddie’s symptoms occurred almost immediately after the second dose in the Pfizer trial. For example, according to medical records and her mother’s documentation, within 12 hours Maddie experienced:

• Fever 101-102

• Electric shocks up and down spine to neck

• Fingers/hands turned white, were swollen and were ice cold when you touched them

• Tachycardia (she said her heart felt like it was being ripped out through her neck)

• Severe abdominal pain

• All over body muscle/nerve pain and spasms – you couldn’t touch her anywhere and she said it even hurt to lay down

• She walked hunched over and with her toes up

• Severe headache

• Nausea

• Blood in her urine

• CRP was 2.90

She continued to decline over the following 3 months and developed these symptoms:

• Unable to walk

• Lost feeling below her waist

• Tremors

• Convulsions/Passed out

• Nausea, vomiting, difficulty swallowing and eventually unable to swallow any liquids or solids (Ng tube placed which she still has)

• Gastroparesis, stool blockage that she was hospitalized for a clean out

• Urinary retention requiring a catheter that is still a problem today

• Brain fog, mixing up words, memory loss

• Muscle weakness throughout body to the point she could not even bathe herself

• Loss of neck control and muscle spasms

• Rash all over her arm

• White tongue

• Throat pain

• Bone pain in arm where she got injection

• Feet peeling

• Skin peeling on head

• Reflux, feeds even come up through her Ng tube

• Weight gain (only getting feeds so not overeating)

• Heavy periods with clumps of blood• Inability to sweat or control her body temperature

 

[LouderVol]

If nobody else could be infected from someone else, that would be fine, but with a pandemic of course people infect other people and that is the
whole problem.

And the vax doesnt fix that.

If we cared about spread we would be pushing testing for everyone. That's the only way to be reasonably sure if you are a risk or not.

Vaxxed and unvaxxed who test negative are safe to be around.
Vaxxed and unvaxxed who test positive are a risk to be around.

Anything else is political, and not medical.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Adverse reactions are absolutely real! Sure, there could possibly be antivaxxers that are filling out some false reports but that doesn't take away the fact that there are numerous cases like this happening and mainstream tries to hide it. Its extremely sad to me that people choose to turn a blind eye to this and try to make it political.


Fascist Comcast Pulls Ad Highlighting Horrific Side Effects of the Covid “Vaccine” — Grieving Mother Appeals to Dictator Biden

Maddie de Garay volunteered for the Pfizer trial for 12–15-year-olds and received her first dose on 12/30/20 and her second dose on 1/20/21. At free the approval for the Pfizer vaccine for 12–15-year-olds in May, she was unblinded and confirmed that she got the vaccine.

Maddie’s symptoms occurred almost immediately after the second dose in the Pfizer trial. For example, according to medical records and her mother’s documentation, within 12 hours Maddie experienced:

• Fever 101-102

• Electric shocks up and down spine to neck

• Fingers/hands turned white, were swollen and were ice cold when you touched them

• Tachycardia (she said her heart felt like it was being ripped out through her neck)

• Severe abdominal pain

• All over body muscle/nerve pain and spasms – you couldn’t touch her anywhere and she said it even hurt to lay down

• She walked hunched over and with her toes up

• Severe headache

• Nausea

• Blood in her urine

• CRP was 2.90

She continued to decline over the following 3 months and developed these symptoms:

• Unable to walk

• Lost feeling below her waist

• Tremors

• Convulsions/Passed out

• Nausea, vomiting, difficulty swallowing and eventually unable to swallow any liquids or solids (Ng tube placed which she still has)

• Gastroparesis, stool blockage that she was hospitalized for a clean out

• Urinary retention requiring a catheter that is still a problem today

• Brain fog, mixing up words, memory loss

• Muscle weakness throughout body to the point she could not even bathe herself

• Loss of neck control and muscle spasms

• Rash all over her arm

• White tongue

• Throat pain

• Bone pain in arm where she got injection

• Feet peeling

• Skin peeling on head

• Reflux, feeds even come up through her Ng tube

• Weight gain (only getting feeds so not overeating)

• Heavy periods with clumps of blood• Inability to sweat or control her body temperature

There's a Soundcloud audio of a phone call the parents had with one of the lead doctors.

 

[ButchPlz]

Just to clarify: physicians and medical institutions have relied on VAERS for many years, and we've never been told to be suspicious of it. . . . Until now.

Seems odd.

Well like I said...there is no widespread evidence of VAERS fraud.

 

[Septic]

Just to clarify: physicians and medical institutions have relied on VAERS for many years, and we've never been told to be suspicious of it. . . . Until now.

Seems odd.

No ones cried over vaccines at this level until now.

 

[LouderVol]

That is not what makes the analogy with driving so ridiculous.

The government has imposed many driver safety laws, which most people do follow. These laws concern speed limits, mandatory seat belt usage and distracted driver bans against mobile telecommunication device usage during the operation of a motor vehicle. So, you are not at liberty to operate a vehicle as you damn well please.

Just as the government can impose driving suspensions, speed limits, and user restrictions in their effort to protect the public's health and well-being on our roads, they can also impose mandates concerning masks and vaccines in the effort to prevent the spread of infectious disease during a pandemic.

Don't take my word for it, though. You should familiarize yourself with the strong and lasting precedent set by "Jacobson v. Massachusetts" from 1905... or even the very unfortunate saga of Mary Mallon (a.k.a. "Typhoid Mary") in the early part of the 20th century.

Typhoid Mary was actually sick.

We dont care about sick, we care about jabbed.

In this case Typhoid Mary can be everyone. But the vaxxed are more likely to by unknown Marys. Going on about their lives thinking they are ok even though they might be sick. Spreading the disease, because they think they are safe. Meanwhile the unvaxxed dont get the same luxury.

Our focus is in the wrong place.

 

[AshG]

Just to clarify: physicians and medical institutions have relied on VAERS for many years, and we've never been told to be suspicious of it. . . . Until now.

Seems odd.

The public found out how to input, and the psychos went nuts.

Loss of erection. Got pregnant. Loss of poker game. Divorce. Grew new hair. These are just a few of the wonderful VAERS-reported side effects since the public got a hold of the system.

 

[Sandman 423]

No ones cried over vaccines at this level until now.

and there seems to be a lot more liars than before.

 

[ButchPlz]

Typhoid Mary was actually sick.

We dont care about sick, we care about jabbed.

In this case Typhoid Mary can be everyone. But the vaxxed are more likely to by unknown Marys. Going on about their lives thinking they are ok even though they might be sick. Spreading the disease, because they think they are safe. Meanwhile the unvaxxed dont get the same luxury.

Our focus is in the wrong place.

Our focus has been in the wrong place the whole time.

A society that deliberately sacrifices its young and productive for the unhealthy, old, and unproductive will die.

Before anyone gets all pissy, note that I'm not necessarily saying one is worth more than the other- but that we took a broad brush approach for a problem that required care.

 

[ButchPlz]

Stop vaccine injustice!

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD VAERS FRAUD

 

[LouderVol]

The public found out how to input, and the psychos went nuts.

Loss of erection. Got pregnant. Loss of poker game. Divorce. Grew new hair. These are just a few of the wonderful VAERS-reported side effects since the public got a hold of the system.

Percentage of VAERs that are obviously fake?

 

[NorthDallas40]

The public found out how to input, and the psychos went nuts.

Loss of erection. Got pregnant. Loss of poker game. Divorce. Grew new hair. These are just a few of the wonderful VAERS-reported side effects since the public got a hold of the system.

Were they prosecuted?

 

[AshG]

Were they prosecuted?

I haven't seen where that's happened yet.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I haven't seen where that's happened yet.

Honestly they should be. There’s no valid reason to willfully dilute the accuracy of a database used by healthcare professionals to monitor the effectiveness of all our vaccines. Nor is that lack of prosecution a valid excuse to question the validity of the database which hasn’t been questioned before. In order to prosecute the inaccurate reports are already identified. They should be excluded and the database should be as reliable as before.

 

[AshG]

Honestly they should be. There’s no valid reason to willfully dilute the accuracy of a database used by healthcare professionals to monitor the effectiveness of all our vaccines. Nor is that lack of prosecution a valid excuse to question the validity of the database which hasn’t been questioned before. In order to prosecute the inaccurate reports are already identified. They should be excluded and the database should be as reliable as before.

I concur. Until then, it's the Wikipedia of medicine.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I concur. Until then, it's the Wikipedia of medicine.

No I don’t agree with that at all. Wikipedia was never trusted. This database has been accepted with out question until some percentage of inputs have become suspect. So the case needs to be shown that the falsified data is statistically significant. Until then VAERS should be accepted.

 

[LouderVol]

I concur. Until then, it's the Wikipedia of medicine.

A good system of informal information sharing that can actually provide good data and context when used carefully by experts who actually know what they are doing?

We seem to be throwing out the baby with the bath water.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

No I don’t agree with that at all. Wikipedia was never trusted. This database has been accepted with out question until some percentage of inputs have become suspect. So the case needs to be shown that the falsified data is statistically significant. Until then VAERS should be accepted.

If anything, it is inaccurate on the low side. Apparently there is a lengthy process of filling out the forms and then you have to have a call back discussion to verify your case and then it is either entered into the system or not. Some medical teams just don't have the time and resources to fill all of the information out or participate in the call backs.

 

[Septic]

and there seems to be a lot more liars than before.

Give people a cause without any modicum of responsibility and the mob mentality reigns supreme.

 

[ButchPlz]

If anything, it is inaccurate on the low side. Apparently there is a lengthy process of filling out the forms and then you have to have a call back discussion to verify your case and then it is either entered into the system or not. Some medical teams just don't have the time and resources to fill all of the information out or participate in the call backs.

And again, if I am remembering correctly, what's in there is pretty well lining up to what is reported in Europe, which is more stringent with who can report.

FFS at least one country even paused the "vaccine" for people below a certain age due to observed impacts.

 

[Septic]

No I don’t agree with that at all. Wikipedia was never trusted. This database has been accepted with out question until some percentage of inputs have become suspect. So the case needs to be shown that the falsified data is statistically significant. Until then VAERS should be accepted.

If Wikipedia isn't reliable, why should a database that is open to the public on a controversial subject be accepted as reliable?

Reading some of the VAERS reports have me in stitches.

"To show that VAERS listings should not be taken at face value to mean that the vaccine caused the reported event, I trawled through the database’s reports on the COVID-19 vaccines. There were many, many reports of fever and injection site reactions (to be expected), but there were also, shall we say, head-scratching reports. A woman reported a large bald spot on top of her head following vaccination. Someone simply wrote in, “Nosebleed.” I saw a report of “anal leakage.” More than one person complained of suddenly becoming impotent. Meanwhile, at the other end of the spectrum, the funniest report I saw stated, “My penis swelled to ten times its size.”

It is easy for an anti-vaccine activist—someone who is categorically opposed to vaccines and who sees themselves as a hero saving humanity from a costly mistake—to simply cherry-pick scary VAERS reports and present them as proof that a vaccine is known to cause serious harm and death, a tactic we could call “VAERS scare.” VAERS, when utilized in the right way by the right people, can be a fantastic early warning system to detect vaccine adverse reactions, especially those that were too rare to be detected in the clinical trials that preceded approval of the vaccine."

Don’t Fall for the ‘VAERS Scare’ Tactic

 

[NorthDallas40]

If Wikipedia isn't reliable, why should a database that is open to the public on a controversial subject be accepted as reliable?

Reading some of the VAERS reports have me in stitches.

"To show that VAERS listings should not be taken at face value to mean that the vaccine caused the reported event, I trawled through the database’s reports on the COVID-19 vaccines. There were many, many reports of fever and injection site reactions (to be expected), but there were also, shall we say, head-scratching reports. A woman reported a large bald spot on top of her head following vaccination. Someone simply wrote in, “Nosebleed.” I saw a report of “anal leakage.” More than one person complained of suddenly becoming impotent. Meanwhile, at the other end of the spectrum, the funniest report I saw stated, “My penis swelled to ten times its size.”

It is easy for an anti-vaccine activist—someone who is categorically opposed to vaccines and who sees themselves as a hero saving humanity from a costly mistake—to simply cherry-pick scary VAERS reports and present them as proof that a vaccine is known to cause serious harm and death, a tactic we could call “VAERS scare.” VAERS, when utilized in the right way by the right people, can be a fantastic early warning system to detect vaccine adverse reactions, especially those that were too rare to be detected in the clinical trials that preceded approval of the vaccine."

Don’t Fall for the ‘VAERS Scare’ Tactic

It’s a crime to submit those kinds of reports. They should be prosecuted based on how that database is used. The database should be trusted. Wikipedia has no such protections or trust and never has.