Vaccine or not?

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hog88 said:
I can legally mandate that my employees cannot use tobacco and yes I can enforce it by legally terminating those using tobacco outside of work and off the clock.

And how in the hell do you get inconsistency out of my posts? I have been rock solid consistent that I oppose all government mandates.
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You're inconsistent because you believe government oppression of individual liberties = bad, but corporate oppression of individual liberties = fine. Oppression of individual liberties is what it is. Who does it is irrelevant.

And is your business in Tennessee? You may want to recheck the law.
 
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hog88 said:
Companies got away with paying in company script because they had the local, state and federal government backing them. Read up on the mine wars in WV and VA during the early 1900s, when the employees fought back the government brought in troops to get them back under ground.
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Again, you keep saying this as if government is the cause, but who pulled the trigger? The government may have stepped out of the way of the gun, but companies loaded and fired. This is the same ******** type argument leftists make when blaming everyone but the government, just painted a different color.
 
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ButchPlz said:
You're inconsistent because you believe government oppression of individual liberties = bad, but corporate oppression of individual liberties = fine. Oppression of individual liberties is what it is. Who does it is irrelevant.

And is your business in Tennessee? You may want to recheck the law.
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Corporations CANNOT oppress individual liberties, every interaction you have with a corporation is voluntary. If a corporation is oppressing you it's because you are allowing them.

It is but I have employees in several other states. Plus TN is a right to work state so I can fire for almost any reason.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Again, you keep saying this as if government is the cause, but who pulled the trigger? The government may have stepped out of the way of the gun, but companies loaded and fired. This is the same ******** type argument leftists make when blaming everyone but the government, just painted a different color.
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You can't point to 1 single instance of a corporation oppressing individual liberty without permission from the individual.
 
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hog88 said:
Corporations CANNOT oppress individual liberties, every interaction you have with a corporation is voluntary. If a corporation is oppressing you it's because you are allowing them.

It is but I have employees in several other states. Plus TN is a right to work state so I can fire for almost any reason.
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Just because something is legal doesn't make it morally right. I believe that is the argument being made against you. I personally agree with that argument against you. I'm not claiming what you're doing is illegal. I'm claiming that I don't believe it's morally right. It is, however, your choice. Like you said, I can vote with my feet.
 
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hog88 said:
You can't point to 1 single instance of a corporation oppressing individual liberty without permission from the individual.
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What do you call the company scrip example I gave? Sure, the employment is "voluntary". You can do our work how we want or starve, but it's certainly your choice har har har.
 
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Vol423 said:
Just because something is legal doesn't make it morally right. I believe that is the argument being made against you. I personally agree with that argument against you. I'm not claiming what you're doing is illegal. I'm claiming that I don't believe it's morally right. It is, however, your choice. Like you said, I can vote with my feet.
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Until you can't, which is the end result of the fantasy libertarianism eventually shares with communism.
 
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Vol423 said:
Just because something is legal doesn't make it morally right. I believe that is the argument being made against you. I personally agree with that argument against you. I'm not claiming what you're doing is illegal. I'm claiming that I don't believe it's morally right. It is, however, your choice. Like you said, I can vote with my feet.
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I never discussed morality.

BTW, I'm not doing anything. I have zero plans to mandate testing or vaccines for our people and will opposes (to a point) any attempt to make me mandate either.
 
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ButchPlz said:
What do you call the company scrip example I gave? Sure, the employment is "voluntary". You can do our work how we want or starve, but it's certainly your choice har har har.
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Company oppression at the behest of the government. It was wrong and eventually stopped because the employees fought back and the coal companies started losing money.
 
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hog88 said:
I can legally mandate that my employees cannot use tobacco and yes I can enforce it by legally terminating those using tobacco outside of work and off the clock.

And how in the hell do you get inconsistency out of my posts? I have been rock solid consistent that I oppose all government mandates.
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I personally think that a company's ability to ban tobacco use amongst its employees is BS. I know it's legal, but I don't agree with it being legal. I don't use tobacco, and I never have. I just don't agree with company overreach like that. On a separate issue (that some posters are linking into this same conversation), I also don't agree with government overreach.
 
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hog88 said:
Company oppression at the behest of the government. It was wrong and eventually stopped because the employees fought back and the coal companies started losing money.
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You say it was at the "behest" of the government? I ask again- who fired the gun?
 
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hog88 said:
I never discussed morality.

BTW, I'm not doing anything. I have zero plans to mandate testing or vaccines for our people and will opposes (to a point) any attempt to make me mandate either.
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Yes. I realize that you didn't discuss morality. I think that for some of us, me included, we are against both government and company instituted mandates on a broad range of issues.
 
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Vol423 said:
I personally think that a company's ability to ban tobacco use amongst its employees is BS. I know it's legal, but I don't agree with it being legal. I don't use tobacco, and I never have. I just don't agree with company overreach like that. On a separate issue (that some posters are linking into this same conversation), I also don't agree with government overreach.
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I agree that banning employees use of tobacco is BS but 100% support a companies right to do so.

As I sit here with a dip of Copenhagen in my lip.
 
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Vol423 said:
Yes. I realize that you didn't discuss morality. I think that for some of us, me included, we are against both government and company instituted mandates on a broad range of issues.
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Only one of them can come lock you up or worse for not following their mandate.
 
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ButchPlz said:
What's internally inconsistent about it? You're pulling a Luther and explaining nothing.
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Libertarian: an advocate or supporter of a political philosophy that advocates only minimal state intervention in the free market and the private lives of citizens

The government is all that is mentioned for libertarians. And it's not even "no government".

Therefore it's not inconsistent to say government mandate bad, corporation mandate ok if you are a libertarian.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Until you can't, which is the end result of the fantasy libertarianism eventually shares with communism.
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I agree, and I didn't classify as a libertarian. I'm authoritarian, baby! It's my way or the highway!

I agree with the point that you're making though. There are a whole slew of companies that I want to completely drop right now due to their extreme wokeism. Some of the them I'm easily dropping. Others are harder to drop simply because there aren't viable alternatives.
 
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ButchPlz said:
So you're absolving the corporate entities responsible, again?

That's some twisted idolatry.
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I didn't absolve the corporate entities, they were bastards but without the support of the government they would have either changed policies or went out of business much sooner because the employees were fighting back.
 
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hog88 said:
Only one of them can come lock you up or worse for not following their mandate.
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Remember, I'm not arguing that you don't have the legal authority to do what you want to do. In my opinion, you should choose to not do many things that are perfectly within your legal purview to do. On a personal note, I'm glad you're not enforcing a corporate mandate on the vaccines. I'm vaccinated, but I don't think it's right to force people to get them.
 
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Vol423 said:
Remember, I'm not arguing that you don't have the legal authority to do what you want to do. In my opinion, you should choose to not do many things that are perfectly within your legal purview to do. On a personal note, I'm glad you're not enforcing a corporate mandate on the vaccines. I'm vaccinated, but I don't think it's right to force people to get them.
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Not going to have a mandate to enforce if I can help it.
 
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