Vaccine or not?

[VolinWayne]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says that it has no record of people who are naturally immune transmitting the virus that causes COVID

In the fall, the CDC received a request from an attorney on behalf of the Informed Consent Action Network for documents “reflecting any documented case of an individual who: (1) never received a COVID-19 vaccine; (2) was infected with COVID-19 once, recovered, and then later became infected again; and (3) transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to another person when reinfected.”

In a response dated Nov. 5 and made public recently, the CDC said it doesn’t have any documents pertaining to the request. The CDC confirmed to The Epoch Times that its Emergency Operations Center didn’t find any records responsive to the request.

You would assume that if the CDC was going to crush the civil and individual rights of those with natural immunity by having them expelled from school, fired from their jobs, separated from the military, and worse, the CDC would have proof of at least one instance of an unvaccinated, naturally immune individual transmitting the COVID-19 virus to another individual. If you thought this, you would be wrong,” Aaron Siri, the attorney who sought the records on behalf of the network, said in a blog post.

CDC: No Record of Naturally Immune Transmitting COVID-19 CDC: No Record of Naturally Immune Transmitting COVID-19

 

[DonjoVol]

 

[Vol423]

Wow! I made it through 20 seconds of that nonsense before I stopped it and moved on. Clearly I'm extra tolerant today. There was a good window at the 8-second mark to exit stage left, but I decided to see what else that fool would say. 20 seconds was more than enough.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Not sure what you mean by "take a stand now" but I think trying to prevent a slippery slope can be a good way to lose the debate. If you resist everything, you lose political capital. For example, "this guy wanted the government to ban employer mandates, so he's perfectly fine with using the government to infringe on liberty for his own designs." Actually, I see the whole pandemic as a phenomenon where both sides are trying to outdo each other in terms of wasting political capital.

I think California is going to continue to be California and Indiana is going to continue to be Indiana.

This is the first example of the right actually taking a stand against overreaching govt or outright defiance and you criticize the right of overplaying the "slippery slope" defense. Meanwhile, leftists cities and states have been defying Federal immigration laws with sanctuary cities and 2nd Amendment limits and we don't hear a damn peep...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Jesus wouldn't give a damn if you wear a mask or get a vaccine...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

"For anyone who chooses to save their life, shall lose it."

That sounds like Jesus is talking about the mask and vaccine Nazis that think those 2 things will save their lives. Meanwhile, people that are walking around as normal without masks are not going out of their way to save their lives. WTF is this preacher talking about?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Gosh that would be exactly like nazi Germany wouldn’t it?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

That's what I read. I'm going to need you to point out where it says the vulnerable will be placed into camps, let alone defining the unvaccinated as "vulnerable"?

“Green zones” ring a bell?

 

[DonjoVol]

Jesus wouldn't give a damn if you wear a mask or get a vaccine...

Exactly. However, you have pastors like this one who are out there twisting the words of the gospel. I got a few more from that channel to share.

 

[DonjoVol]

 

[C1500]

“Green zones” ring a bell?

On 7 April 1933 (after the Nazi assumption of power) Adolf Hitler decided to introduce the so called "Der Ahnenpass" aka "genealogical passport or Ancestor Passport.”
It was also called the Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service, and it required all public servants to be of "Aryan" descent.
This passport confirmed that the holder was of Aryan origin. This passport was necessary to be granted access to museums, public buildings, theatres, schools and workplace.
The applicable fields were later enlarged under different laws to include lawyers, teachers, medical doctors and finally requiring a proven Aryan lineage even to attend high school. Usually, the lineage was investigated four generations back.



Papers Please

 

[LouderVol]

He's not a staunch libertarian. Anybody on here who claims to be a staunch libertarian or centrist is full of you know what.

Yall keep trying to change the meaning of libertarian. Taking an over simplistic definition that has never once been tied to the Libertarians.

They simply care about what the GOVERNMENT does.

Yall are talking about some soverign citizen bs where any reduction in personal possibility is an assault on freedom. That's never been a libertarian stance. I dont even think the sovereign citizens go as far as yall are with the definition of liberty.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Yall keep trying to change the meaning of libertarian. Taking an over simplistic definition that has never once been tied to the Libertarians.

They simply care about what the GOVERNMENT does.

Yall are talking about some soverign citizen bs where any reduction in personal possibility is an assault on freedom. That's never been a libertarian stance. I dont even think the sovereign citizens go as far as yall are with the definition of liberty.

If you believe government should stay out of our pockets and not line theirs with millions, is that a libertarian belief?

 

[StarRaider]

One Really Stupid Tweet by Biden's Own Chief of Staff Helped Blow Up His Federal Vaccine Mandate

 

[LouderVol]

If you believe government should stay out of our pockets and not line theirs with millions, is that a libertarian belief?

I would say so

 

[NorthDallas40]

One Really Stupid Tweet by Biden's Own Chief of Staff Helped Blow Up His Federal Vaccine Mandate

Ron Klain… the idiot gift that keeps on giving

 

[Vol423]

Ron Klain… the idiot gift that keeps on giving

Yes. However, the writer of that article isn't too bright either. The closing sentence of that article states,

When a retweet helps sink national legislation – that’s an all-time “tweet that did not age well.”

OSHA doesn't pass legislation.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Have we discussed that the booster shots are the same as the original except for moderna?

Also, sister-in-law was saying the vaccines don’t work great in older individuals due to their lack of muscle. I have not read this anywhere.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Have we discussed that the booster shots are the same as the original except for moderna?

Correct. They have not updated the mRNA strand to match the Delta variant mutations in the Spike protein

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Correct. They have not updated the mRNA strand to match the Delta variant mutations in the Spike protein

So what is the point of getting the booster?

Also, what about the 2nd part of my first comment? Have you read anything backing that statement?

 

[kiddiedoc]

So what is the point of getting the booster?

Also, what about the 2nd part of my first comment? Have you read anything backing that statement?

That's a great question.

And, no I have not, but it's a theoretical concern.

Also, I have done more reading, data analysis, and discussion with local specialists, and I now consider the mRNA products "experimental therapeutics," not "vaccines," by the very definition of a vaccine.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Correct. They have not updated the mRNA strand to match the Delta variant mutations in the Spike protein

Then WTF is the reason for getting the booster then? I would have thought they would have at least modified it to address the variants?

 

[kiddiedoc]

Then WTF is the reason for getting the booster then? I would have thought they would have at least modified it to address the variants?

Here is Pfizer's info:

Efforts against variants of concern:

While Pfizer and BioNTech believe a third dose of their COVID-19 vaccine has the potential to preserve the highest levels of protective efficacy against all currently known variants, the Companies are remaining vigilant and are developing updated versions of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine to potentially address specific variants. The Companies are studying a Beta-variant-specific construct, the results of which are meant to establish a regulatory pathway for any updated vaccine that might be needed to address any future variant of potential concern, as well as a Delta-variant-specific construct. The Companies anticipate the clinical studies for the Delta-variant-specific construct to begin in August 2021, subject to regulatory approvals.

 

[DonjoVol]

Yall keep trying to change the meaning of libertarian. Taking an over simplistic definition that has never once been tied to the Libertarians.

They simply care about what the GOVERNMENT does.

Yall are talking about some soverign citizen bs where any reduction in personal possibility is an assault on freedom. That's never been a libertarian stance. I dont even think the sovereign citizens go as far as yall are with the definition of liberty.

So you're telling me that libertarians have always advocated for private citizens and private businesses to be involved and dictate what people do in their personal lives?

If so, show me your proof.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Honestly i quit reading this thread a couple three months ago because these idiots in here thinking they had a right to force untested meds into other folks bodies with mandates were making me disgusted with a big chunk of Americans and it was gonna end badly...that hasnt changed.

My FIL...who was "vaccinated"and otherwise very healthy at 60yo died after 52 days on a vent in the hospital. He only lived that long bc my wife didnt work for almost 2 months and spent all day everyday at his side...making the staff feed him by tube, fight infections, threatened to sue repeatedly and often if they let him intentionally die from preventable issues, recorded audio of a Dr refusing to feed him or give him antibiotics to fight sepsis, contacted top administrators at the hospital...all of which took place AFTER the 21 days when NO family members were allowed to see him at all for any reason. The entire staff rotates out every 2 weeks from covid ICU...but my wife was there every single day reading to him, praying over him fervently, playing music for him etc. May God rest his sole. He never received Regeneron, nor any of the other drugs which have shown great results even when prescribed or taken off-label. None. They would not give him ANY medication to actually fight COVID.

Btw...my family and I still are not and will likely never be "vaccinated" with these experimental therapeutic concoctions. I strongly support everyone here having the freedom to choose to get jabbed if they want. Your rights end when they begin to infringe on our right to abstain.