Vaccine or not?

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mad4vols said:
The U.S. COVID-19 Vaccination Program at One Year: How Many Deaths and Hospitalizations Were Averted?

Highlights
  • In the absence of a vaccination program, there would have been approximately 1.1 million additional COVID-19 deaths and more than 10.3 million additional COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. by November 2021.
  • Without the U.S. vaccination program, COVID-19 deaths would have been approximately 3.2 times higher and COVID-19 hospitalizations approximately 4.9 times higher than the actual toll during 2021.
  • If no one had been vaccinated, daily deaths from COVID-19 could have jumped to as high as 21,000 per day — nearly 5.2 times the level of the record peak of more than 4,000 deaths per day recorded in January 2021.
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There would have triple the deaths from the year with no vaccine at all and no idea what we were dealing with? even though the unvaccinated CFR has gone down, and delta wasnt as deadly?

I am going to have to read this to see where they pulled these numbers from.
 
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LouderVol said:
There would have triple the deaths from the year with no vaccine at all and no idea what we were dealing with? even though the unvaccinated CFR has gone down, and delta wasnt as deadly?

I am going to have to read this to see where they pulled these numbers from.
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You know where they pulled the numbers from. It rhymes with “glass pole”.
 
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mad4vols said:
The U.S. COVID-19 Vaccination Program at One Year: How Many Deaths and Hospitalizations Were Averted?

Highlights
  • In the absence of a vaccination program, there would have been approximately 1.1 million additional COVID-19 deaths and more than 10.3 million additional COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. by November 2021.
  • Without the U.S. vaccination program, COVID-19 deaths would have been approximately 3.2 times higher and COVID-19 hospitalizations approximately 4.9 times higher than the actual toll during 2021.
  • If no one had been vaccinated, daily deaths from COVID-19 could have jumped to as high as 21,000 per day — nearly 5.2 times the level of the record peak of more than 4,000 deaths per day recorded in January 2021.
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So this assumes:
1. That all CDC guidelines were dropped not just the vaccine. " By contrast, if the loosening of CDC guidelines was extended to all individuals on July 4, we project a surge in COVID-19 cases, with a magnitude that depends on the social activity level of unvaccinated individuals. "
2. That protection wanes "agent-based model of COVID-19 to include waning of naturally acquired or vaccine- elicited immunity, as well as booster vaccination.6,7". Neither reference 6 or 7 provides any data for waning natural immunity, only the vaccine. So it seems like they are projecting vaccines failures on natural immunity. Maybe I missed it but I saw no data to support this move.
3. That Covid would have spread far worse in 2021 vs 2020 because of a "counterfactual" lack of vaccine in 2021. Even though the 2020 rate was also pre vaccine. And they dont justify this adjustment. "The simulated outcomes of total infections, hospitalizations, and deaths were compared to the fitted model, reflecting the actual pandemic in the U.S. and vaccinations that occurred between December 12, 2020, and November 30, 2021."

This is why I dont trust the BS the CDC spouts, and I just look for data. Because the BS is increasingly unsupported by the data.
 
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LouderVol said:
There would have triple the deaths from the year with no vaccine at all and no idea what we were dealing with? even though the unvaccinated CFR has gone down, and delta wasnt as deadly?

I am going to have to read this to see where they pulled these numbers from.
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They pulled them from the same place they pull all of their numbers...from their a$$.
 
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LouderVol said:
So this assumes:
1. That all CDC guidelines were dropped not just the vaccine. " By contrast, if the loosening of CDC guidelines was extended to all individuals on July 4, we project a surge in COVID-19 cases, with a magnitude that depends on the social activity level of unvaccinated individuals. "
2. That protection wanes "agent-based model of COVID-19 to include waning of naturally acquired or vaccine- elicited immunity, as well as booster vaccination.6,7". Neither reference 6 or 7 provides any data for waning natural immunity, only the vaccine. So it seems like they are projecting vaccines failures on natural immunity. Maybe I missed it but I saw no data to support this move.
3. That Covid would have spread far worse in 2021 vs 2020 because of a "counterfactual" lack of vaccine in 2021. Even though the 2020 rate was also pre vaccine. And they dont justify this adjustment. "The simulated outcomes of total infections, hospitalizations, and deaths were compared to the fitted model, reflecting the actual pandemic in the U.S. and vaccinations that occurred between December 12, 2020, and November 30, 2021."

This is why I dont trust the BS the CDC spouts, and I just look for data. Because the BS is increasingly unsupported by the data.
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Sounds like this "analysis" could have easily been produced by the "climate scientists". Start with the answer that you want (which is the one that keeps the taxpayer dollars rolling in to support your "important groundbreaking research"), and then invent the facts to support your conclusion. If you're missing data, simply make it up.
 
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mad4vols said:
163,000 COVID-19 deaths could have been prevented by vaccination since June 2021, when safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines were widely available to all adults in the U.S.

COVID-19 preventable mortality and leading cause of death ranking - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker
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More projections that again had the death rate tripling the max unvaxxed rate because suddenly there were more unvaxxed than we were before?

The most sciencey science that ever scienced. How could anyone question that things suddenly would have been three times as bad just because.
 
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Has anyone seen the John Hopkins Spars Pandemic Scenario? This was done in 2017 and they basically lay out everything that's happening today with the pandemic. The only thing that they got wrong was they had this event happening in 2025. I guess Trump changed their plans and they had to impliment this ahead of schedule....It's pretty interesting to see how close things are to the plan they laid out. Click on the "Spars Pandemic Scenario Book" and read it for yourself.

SPARS Pandemic Scenario | Projects: Center for Health Security
 
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LouderVol said:
There would have triple the deaths from the year with no vaccine at all and no idea what we were dealing with? even though the unvaccinated CFR has gone down, and delta wasnt as deadly?

I am going to have to read this to see where they pulled these numbers from.
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Their ass is where they pulled them from. In an effort to prove the shell game of the last 18 months wasn’t a hoax
 
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mad4vols said:
The U.S. COVID-19 Vaccination Program at One Year: How Many Deaths and Hospitalizations Were Averted?

Highlights
  • In the absence of a vaccination program, there would have been approximately 1.1 million additional COVID-19 deaths and more than 10.3 million additional COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. by November 2021.
  • Without the U.S. vaccination program, COVID-19 deaths would have been approximately 3.2 times higher and COVID-19 hospitalizations approximately 4.9 times higher than the actual toll during 2021.
  • If no one had been vaccinated, daily deaths from COVID-19 could have jumped to as high as 21,000 per day — nearly 5.2 times the level of the record peak of more than 4,000 deaths per day recorded in January 2021.
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These numbers seem greatly sensationalized right off the cuff, but I haven’t read the entire article. Yet, the suppression of monoclonal antibodies, multi drug therapeutics (ivermectin/hydroxychloriquine/zinc, etc) was blatant and coordinated. That data from the interview I posted above indicates we could have made a huge dent in Coronavirus earlier on instead of putting all of our eggs in a hastily developed, questionable efficacy vaccine. Want a vaccine? Take it. But every option should have been on the table…if the powers that be were serious about knocking out this virus. They apparently were not.
 
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Vol737 said:
These numbers seem greatly sensationalized right off the cuff, but I haven’t read the entire article. Yet, the suppression of monoclonal antibodies, multi drug therapeutics (ivermectin/hydroxychloriquine/zinc, etc) was blatant and coordinated. That data from the interview I posted above indicates we could have made a huge dent in Coronavirus earlier on instead of putting all of our eggs in a hastily developed, questionable efficacy vaccine. Want a vaccine? Take it. But every option should have been on the table…if the powers that be were serious about knocking out this virus. They apparently were not.
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It’s not about safety, or saving lives.
 
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0nelilreb said:
We are about to go grocery shopping I’m going to see how many nasty looks I can get from people for not wearing a mask . Lol
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I am grateful for the little bubble here in southeast GA that I live in. I haven't worn a mask into any of the grocery stores since about April of last year and I've never had a single person say anything about it. I can't even phathom living in an area that mandates it.
 
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0nelilreb said:
We are about to go grocery shopping I’m going to see how many nasty looks I can get from people for not wearing a mask . Lol
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Almost no one is wearing a mask around here these days. We went to see Tran Siberian Orchestra Sunday, sold out, and I probably didn't see more than 4 or 5 masks.
 
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hog88 said:
Great show but about 2 hours too long.
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It is great. I don't know if you saw them this year, but they played Christmas Eve and Other Stories from beginning to end.
And then they played about 10 more songs.
They sell out 6 shows in Atlanta every year.
 
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