Vaccine or not?

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@mad4vols

New Zealand just linked its second death to Pfizer vaccine.

Things like this are what cause healthy individuals to feel wary of getting it when they have already had it and been fine.
 
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New York Legislation Provides for Indefinite Detention of Unvaccinated at Governor’s Whim.

by Kay Smythe



December 18, 2021

In the next legislative session beginning January 5th, 2022, the New York Senate and Assembly could vote on a bill that would grant permissions to remove and detain cases, contacts, carriers, or anyone suspected of presenting a “significant threat to public health” and remove them from public life on an indefinite basis.

Bill A416 presents a serious risk to the basic liberties of all Americans in the state of New York, including their right to choose whether or not to receive medical treatment and vaccinations related to thus far undetermined contagious diseases.

The bill gives the Governor of New York, his or her delegates – including but not limited to the commissioner and heads of local health departments – the right to remove and detain any individuals or groups of people through issuing a single order. The orders only have to include the individual’s name(s) or “reasonably specific descriptions of the individuals or groups.”

The department can decide to hold a person or group of people in a medical facility or any other they deem appropriate. The language is purposefully vague.



New York Legislation Provides for Indefinite Detention of Unvaccinated at Governor's Whim.
 
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davethevol said:
I have a hunch that many of the adverse reactions and vaccine deaths are being covered up.
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The metrics dont stack up either.

Covid death: die with Covid.
Covid vaccine death: die because of a direct result of the vaccine that cant be explained by anything else and only counts if there is an autopsy.

It's just another example of the "science" being not sciency at all. Still havent established any type of metric. No standards on testing requirements. Changing the definition of terms to fit what they have vs what it was previously established as.
 
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VolinWayne said:
New York Legislation Provides for Indefinite Detention of Unvaccinated at Governor’s Whim.

by Kay Smythe



December 18, 2021

In the next legislative session beginning January 5th, 2022, the New York Senate and Assembly could vote on a bill that would grant permissions to remove and detain cases, contacts, carriers, or anyone suspected of presenting a “significant threat to public health” and remove them from public life on an indefinite basis.

Bill A416 presents a serious risk to the basic liberties of all Americans in the state of New York, including their right to choose whether or not to receive medical treatment and vaccinations related to thus far undetermined contagious diseases.

The bill gives the Governor of New York, his or her delegates – including but not limited to the commissioner and heads of local health departments – the right to remove and detain any individuals or groups of people through issuing a single order. The orders only have to include the individual’s name(s) or “reasonably specific descriptions of the individuals or groups.”

The department can decide to hold a person or group of people in a medical facility or any other they deem appropriate. The language is purposefully vague.



New York Legislation Provides for Indefinite Detention of Unvaccinated at Governor's Whim.
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Oh heck no.
 
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LouderVol said:
The metrics dont stack up either.

Covid death: die with Covid.
Covid vaccine death: die because of a direct result of the vaccine that cant be explained by anything else and only counts if there is an autopsy.

It's just another example of the "science" being not sciency at all. Still havent established any type of metric. No standards on testing requirements. Changing the definition of terms to fit what they have vs what it was previously established as.
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This so much!!!!!
 
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VolinWayne said:
New York Legislation Provides for Indefinite Detention of Unvaccinated at Governor’s Whim.

by Kay Smythe



December 18, 2021

In the next legislative session beginning January 5th, 2022, the New York Senate and Assembly could vote on a bill that would grant permissions to remove and detain cases, contacts, carriers, or anyone suspected of presenting a “significant threat to public health” and remove them from public life on an indefinite basis.

Bill A416 presents a serious risk to the basic liberties of all Americans in the state of New York, including their right to choose whether or not to receive medical treatment and vaccinations related to thus far undetermined contagious diseases.

The bill gives the Governor of New York, his or her delegates – including but not limited to the commissioner and heads of local health departments – the right to remove and detain any individuals or groups of people through issuing a single order. The orders only have to include the individual’s name(s) or “reasonably specific descriptions of the individuals or groups.”

The department can decide to hold a person or group of people in a medical facility or any other they deem appropriate. The language is purposefully vague.



New York Legislation Provides for Indefinite Detention of Unvaccinated at Governor's Whim.
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Seriously, did anyone NOT see this coming?
 
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Vol423 said:
Seriously, did anyone NOT see this coming?
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The same people who are saying it's all just a conspiracy theory and that would never happen in America are the same people who in 7 months will be defending it and saying it's all for the good and safety of humanity. Australia didn't turn into what they have been overnight.
 
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VolinWayne said:
The same people who are saying it's all just a conspiracy theory and that would never happen in America are the same people who in 7 months will be defending it and saying it's all for the good and safety of humanity. Australia didn't turn into what they have been overnight.
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They're also the same people that said heart inflammation issues were a conspiracy theory pushed by right wingers online.

Now that's mainstream news.

Always remember that particular gaslighting.
 
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ButchPlz said:
They're also the same people that said heart inflammation issues were a conspiracy theory pushed by right wingers online.

Now that's mainstream news.

Always remember that particular gaslighting.
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Now the argument is it isn’t a significant issues because the benefits outweigh the risks. And at the individual level, some people may arrive at that conclusion…which is fine.

But you are correct, the formula is try to shame those who raise concerns by labeling them as conspiracy theorists…then slowly move the goalposts.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Now the argument is it isn’t a significant issues because the benefits outweigh the risks. And at the individual level, some people may arrive at that conclusion…which is fine.

But you are correct, the formula is try to shame those who raise concerns by labeling them as conspiracy theorists…then slowly move the goalposts.
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Sure.

But we all know where it's headed- oh, yeah, we said it wasn't a big deal but there is a pretty high risk of injury from the hastily produced vaccine...but if you don't take it you're still a conspiracy theorist!
 
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ButchPlz said:
Sure.

But we all know where it's headed- oh, yeah, we said it wasn't a big deal but there is a pretty high risk of injury from the hastily produced vaccine...but if you don't take it you're still a conspiracy theorist!
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I have two oak clusters on life's medal. I am a conspiracy theorist and a racist, so I have that going for me.
 
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Septic said:
It's still required, which is the only point being posited.

Don't get caught up in the noise - lots of strawmen, slippery slopes and red herrings in here.

When folks roll up their sleeves, it won't matter which branch of government, whether it was local, state or federal - because the needle will still be going in. Just like it has for decades, cries of "overreach!" now are hypocritical.
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Everyone has their line in the sand. Mine happened with flu shots. Required, haven’t had one since 2014. Tdap booster made my shoulder dysfunctional for months. Wouldn’t have had that one if HR had my complete records like they said they did but last minute oops they can’t find it. This one is way beyond my line in the sand. There will be no rolling up my sleeve for anyone.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Everyone has their line in the sand. Mine happened with flu shots. Required, haven’t had one since 2014. Tdap booster made my shoulder dysfunctional for months. Wouldn’t have had that one if HR had my complete records like they said they did but last minute oops they can’t find it. This one is way beyond my line in the sand. There will be no rolling up my sleeve for anyone.
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So you'd agree that there's really no more overreach than there has been in the past? In other words, it's always existed but now it's with vary demands or degrees of required compliance.
 
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