Vaccine or not?

[Ttucke11]

Prevent does not equal "less likely." If you claimed he said prevent then you are wrong.

Joe Biden said in July that if you get vaccinated, you will not get COVID

“You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations"-Joe Biden, July 2021

 

[Carp]

The first confirmed Covid death was Feb 26,
2020. From Feb 26, 2020 - Dec 21 2020 there were 310,962 deaths. From Feb 26, 2021 - Dec 21, 2021 (today) there have been 306,651 deaths. One of those windows had a vaccine the other didn’t. By the end of February, just about anyone was eligible for the vaccine; my administrative assistant is 22 years old and she got it February/early March.

Again, the virus wasn't spread nearly as much nationwide in Feb 2021, so you're not comparing the same thing. We didn't reach 50k daily cases until late June 2020. In 2021, we've averaged over 87k cases per day. There have been significantly more cases since Feb 2021 until now than there were from Feb 2020 to Dec 21 2021. From Feb - Dec 21 2020 we had 18,635,665 confirmed cases. From Feb 21 2021 til now we have had 23,193,609 cases (and we're not testing nearly as much as we were in 2020). So 4.5 million more confirmed cases. And this doesn't quite tell the entire story since deaths lag roughly 1 month behind cases. So deaths you're seeing in Feb 2021 were from confirmed cases in Dec../January.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Nice that Kavanaugh is getting it. Kagan or some other lefty might have gotten it...

We shall see...

 

[AthensVol2007]

Again, the virus wasn't spread nearly as much nationwide in Feb 2021, so you're not comparing the same thing. We didn't reach 50k daily cases until late June 2020. In 2021, we've averaged over 87k cases per day. There have been significantly more cases since Feb 2021 until now than there were from Feb 2020 to Dec 21 2021. From Feb - Dec 21 2020 we had 18,635,665 confirmed cases. From Feb 21 2021 til now we have had 23,193,609 cases (and we're not testing nearly as much as we were in 2020). So 4.5 million more confirmed cases. And this doesn't quite tell the entire story since deaths lag roughly 1 month behind cases. So deaths you're seeing in Feb 2021 were from confirmed cases in Dec../January.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

No I’m not, we didn’t have the tests to confirm it then. Serology tests in NYC date it back to being prevalent there as early as December 2019 and some believe it was on our shores as soon as October of 2019. There’s no way to know without the data and that’s not possible because of the lack of testing we had. Where can I find the tests administered numbers? To say we’re not testing more in 2021 doesn’t seem right when anyone can go get a test at anytime for ***** and giggles. That wasn’t possible for the first half of 2020; you had to have been exposed or have damn good reason to go.

 

[ButchPlz]

No I’m not, we didn’t have the tests to confirm it then. Serology tests in NYC date it back to being prevalent there as early as December 2019 and some believe it was on our shores as soon as October of 2019. There’s no way to know without the data and that’s not possible because of the lack of testing we had. Where can I find the tests administered numbers? To say we’re not testing more in 2021 doesn’t seem right when anyone can go get a test at anytime for ***** and giggles. That wasn’t possible for the first half of 2020; you had to have been exposed or have damn good reason to go.

If it broke out in Wuhan- one of China's biggest (if not the biggest) manufacturing hubs- in October or November of 2019, and it has the high transmission rate we have all been brow-beaten to accept, then it was definitely here in the US in a matter of days or weeks.

Interestingly, in December 2019, I had a horrible respiratory illness after a trip to DC that I couldn't shake for weeks. Low grade fever, coughing, the works. Could have been the flu, which I've never had. I think I may have been exposed to COVID very early based on the crowd I was with.

 

[ButchPlz]

 

[Carp]

No I’m not, we didn’t have the tests to confirm it then. Serology tests in NYC date it back to being prevalent there as early as December 2019 and some believe it was on our shores as soon as October of 2019. There’s no way to know without the data and that’s not possible because of the lack of testing we had. Where can I find the tests administered numbers? To say we’re not testing more in 2021 doesn’t seem right when anyone can go get a test at anytime for ***** and giggles. That wasn’t possible for the first half of 2020; you had to have been exposed or have damn good reason to go.

Speculation at best. We weren't seeing an uptick in related symptoms with failed flu tests/strep/etc in early 2020. No mass reports of people losing their taste or smell. To act like it was here an running rampant in the early parts of 2020 is extremely unlikely, if not impossible.

When we started testing in mass amounts (somewhere around April/May) we also were not seeing massive amounts of positive tests that would suggest it was anywhere nearly as prevalent as you want to pretend.

 

[508mikey]

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This is just deaths, doesn’t even account for the hospitals being over run with Unvaccinated and all the people dealing with long Covid and permanent health issues as a result.

is the covid 19, omi. delta which one is doing the killing ?

 

[Orangeslice13]

First of all - "they" imply, you infer.

Based on your comments and cited text and what has been a consistent refrain from the WH, "they" want American's to get vaccinated because it keeps people from getting very, very ill in the vast majority of cases. Keeping folks from getting very ill, keeps the hospitals from being overwhelmed. Stability keeps the economy humming and the markets stable - things that everyone should want.

Dude, I'm almost to the point where I don't g.a.s. about the anti-vaxxers at this point, so please - don't get it. I WHOLLY support your wishes to not get vaccinated and would find it abhorrent if the .gov makes it a requirement. Along the same lines I'll continue to question (and mock) the intelligence of the anti vaxxers and if you get sick and croak (as many have) - bye Felicia.

We keep hearing about death rates from Covid. I’d be interested in how many people died from other issues because healthcare wasn’t available due to the log jam caused by Covid.
I suspect it’s a pretty big number.
Ultimately I agree with you. The vast majority of the hospitalization is unvaccinated. Everyone has the right to make their own decisions and live with them. Nobody is changing their mind at this point.

 

[Orangeslice13]

is the covid 19, omi. delta which one is doing the killing ?

Right now it appears that Omi might be the variant that brings us to endemic status . But it’s early. Here’s to hoping the early results hold

 

[C-south]

is the covid 19, omi. delta which one is doing the killing ?

Phi Beta kappa

 

[Orangeslice13]

If it broke out in Wuhan- one of China's biggest (if not the biggest) manufacturing hubs- in October or November of 2019, and it has the high transmission rate we have all been brow-beaten to accept, then it was definitely here in the US in a matter of days or weeks.

Interestingly, in December 2019, I had a horrible respiratory illness after a trip to DC that I couldn't shake for weeks. Low grade fever, coughing, the works. Could have been the flu, which I've never had. I think I may have been exposed to COVID very early based on the crowd I was with.

I’m convinced the red women and I both had it before there were any confirmed cases in our county. Testing wasn’t available and we went through the same thing you describe at about the same time.

 

[FLVOL69]

 

[508mikey]

I’m convinced the red women and I both had it before there were any confirmed cases in our county. Testing wasn’t available and we went through the same thing you describe at about the same time.

same with me Feb 20th 2020 - a couple weeks later all hell broke loose - lockdowns masks etc i recovered with OTC sinus and cold pills in a few days, no Dr visit or anything

 

[Orangeslice13]

same with me Feb 20th 2020 - a couple weeks later all hell broke loose - lockdowns masks etc i recovered with OTC sinus and cold pills in a few days, no Dr visit or anything

We had several things proscribed but nothing seemed to help. It persisted for 3 weeks with us.

 

[DC_Vol]

If it broke out in Wuhan- one of China's biggest (if not the biggest) manufacturing hubs- in October or November of 2019, and it has the high transmission rate we have all been brow-beaten to accept, then it was definitely here in the US in a matter of days or weeks.

Interestingly, in December 2019, I had a horrible respiratory illness after a trip to DC that I couldn't shake for weeks. Low grade fever, coughing, the works. Could have been the flu, which I've never had. I think I may have been exposed to COVID very early based on the crowd I was with.

I work in an office where almost everyone travels globally regularly. At least we used to. And I’m almost certain it went through our office in late 2019 / jan 2020.

A number of people came down with severe cases of flu. Some of them out of the office for 3+ weeks. And they all tested negative for flu. All said it was the worst illness they ever had and had no idea what it was.

 

[MAD]

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The chart is misleading because it doesn’t include Table 11.
The article even tells you to go to Table 11, that’s where you compare 100,000 vaccinated vs 100,000 unvaccinated etc in hospitalizations and death.
You clearly see the percentage is much higher in the unvaccinated.

Here is the source from your post.



Here is the link to the article where the partial data was gathered.


https://assets.publishing.service.g...41593/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-50.pdf

 

[volfanhill]

The chart is misleading because it doesn’t include Table 11.
The article even tells you to go to Table 11, that’s where you compare 100,000 vaccinated vs 100,000 unvaccinated etc in hospitalizations and death.
You clearly see the percentage is much higher in the unvaccinated.

Here is the source from your post.

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Here is the link to the article where the partial data was gathered.


https://assets.publishing.service.g...41593/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-50.pdf



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Congrats you did good. Not being a condescending prick is helpful

 

[newyorkvol]

The chart is misleading because it doesn’t include Table 11.
The article even tells you to go to Table 11, that’s where you compare 100,000 vaccinated vs 100,000 unvaccinated etc in hospitalizations and death.
You clearly see the percentage is much higher in the unvaccinated.

Here is the source from your post.

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Here is the link to the article where the partial data was gathered.


https://assets.publishing.service.g...41593/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-50.pdf



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There is a lot of interesting information in that chart.

Edit: regarding the bolded statement, I think it’s clear for the population over 50. Under 50 is much less clear.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

If you are gonna quote my comment, get it correct.
The blood on someone’s hands applies to what I mentioned on the public figures that are telling people not to get vaxxed and end up saying they wish they got the vax after they ended up in the hospital with Covid and right before they died from it. That is criminal in my opinion.
Do some radio hosts ring a bell?

You are aware you don’t have to do everything someone in the inter webs and radio tells you.. right?
Criminal??? You don’t think dying from covid is enough? You are mind boggling.

 

[AthensVol2007]

Speculation at best. We weren't seeing an uptick in related symptoms with failed flu tests/strep/etc in early 2020. No mass reports of people losing their taste or smell. To act like it was here an running rampant in the early parts of 2020 is extremely unlikely, if not impossible.

When we started testing in mass amounts (somewhere around April/May) we also were not seeing massive amounts of positive tests that would suggest it was anywhere nearly as prevalent as you want to pretend.

Antibody tests from blood donations of 165,000 people in Miami suggested the number of infections to actual documented cases was 16:1. A waste water sample study from a municipality in Delaware suggested the number of infections to documented cases was 16:1. Antibody tests from LA County suggested the infections to documented cases was 25:1. Antibody studies from Santa Clara County suggested as high as 55:1. NYC’s was 7:1. Most of these findings were in early-mid April.

“The number of confirmed COVID-19 cases is a poor proxy for the extent of infection in the community,” said lead investigator Neeraj Sood, professor at the USC Price School for Public Policy and senior fellow at the USC Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics.

 

[lostsheep]

Who needs medical professionals with all the supposed medical brainiacs on VN? Geeze...cancel your medical insurance and stop going to the doc. Just start posting any symptoms you may have and all these guys will provide you with a solution (once they take a look at facebook and make sure their response fits with the foxnews narrative, of course).

Some of you need to study some history and take a look at how wanna-be demagogues operate and work to turn public opinion away from established professionals' opinions.

 

[C-south]

Who needs medical professionals with all the supposed medical brainiacs on VN? Geeze...cancel your medical insurance and stop going to the doc. Just start posting any symptoms you may have and all these guys will provide you with a solution (once they take a look at facebook and make sure their response fits with the foxnews narrative, of course).

Some of you need to study some history and take a look at how wanna-be demagogues operate and work to turn public opinion away from established professionals' opinions.

In history established professionals didn’t usually hold political agendas. Looks like you got it backwards.

 

[lostsheep]

In history established professionals didn’t usually hold political agendas. Looks like you got it backwards.

Exactly what the wanna-be demagogue wants you to believe.

 

[Carp]

Antibody tests from blood donations of 165,000 people in Miami suggested the number of infections to actual documented cases was 16:1. A waste water sample study from a municipality in Delaware suggested the number of infections to documented cases was 16:1. Antibody tests from LA County suggested the infections to documented cases was 25:1. Antibody studies from Santa Clara County suggested as high as 55:1. NYC’s was 7:1. Most of these findings were in early-mid April.

“The number of confirmed COVID-19 cases is a poor proxy for the extent of infection in the community,” said lead investigator Neeraj Sood, professor at the USC Price School for Public Policy and senior fellow at the USC Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics.

That doesn't disprove anything I stated. Where were the massive reports of losing taste/smell in early January/February? If you think COVID was around and had infected massive amounts of US citizens in early January, then you don't understand understand how viruses work.

Again, we'll retest this theory in April May 2022. Impossible to telll how hard Omnicron will hit us at this time, but I would wager a good bit of money that deaths will down considerably YoY at that time. Regardless, we have plenty of data that tells us the death rate among the vaccinated to unvaccinated.

How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not?

The evidence is quite clear.