Vaccine or not?

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whodeycin85 said:
So wait....your not ok with government stepping on an individuals rights...but your ok with a group of buisnesses (which we have seen"big tech") doing the same as long as its not called government??? Either way its the same...individuals rights are lost whether by .gov or buisness collusion...
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And this is the libertarian blind spot in a nutshell.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I directly stated 20k reported deaths. I even quoted myself again for you a couple of minutes ago.

You should try honesty. So do we agree roughly 20k deaths have been reported?

Because you’ve wasted a lot of my time and yours falsely pretending I lied.
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You implied that the 20k dead number you conjured up out of thin air were attributed to the "experimental vaccine."

That's what you did.

Vol8188 said:
Do you really think this is the right time to force people to take an experimental vaccine with nearly 20k reported deaths?
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If you are now trying to assert that the vaccine isn't responsible for the 20k deaths (that you've yet to cite a source for) then what in the world are you arguing over?

At this point you aren't even trying to move goal posts, you've moved on to misrepresenting the very things you stated - which is bizarre because they're here for everyone to read.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This entire pandemic has shaken me away from a lot of the libertarian philosophies because they have a blind spot when it comes to dealing with fascism.
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Like I implied- it sounds great in principle but when put to reality it won't work. I've seen so much of this intermixing of business and government in my work that I'm not sure I could ever go back.
 
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Septic said:
All of it?
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How can we have a conversation about how many of those reported deaths were primarily due to the vaccine if you’re unwilling to admit they exist?

Once again, I claimed correctly that roughly 20k deaths have been reported from the vaccine. That’s 100% true. Idk why you refuse to admit something so basic. When you fail to do that, it makes it impossible for anyone to have an honest conversation with you about the next two important questions here (how many of those can be proven and is that enough for concern)?
 
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Septic said:
You implied that the 20k dead number you conjured up out of thin air were attributed to the "experimental vaccine."

That's what you did.



If you are now trying to assert that the vaccine isn't responsible for the 20k deaths (that you've yet to cite a source for) then what in the world are you arguing over?

At this point you aren't even trying to move goal posts, you've moved on to misrepresenting the very things you stated - which is bizarre because they're here for everyone to read.
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I cited multiple sources even yours seems to agree with my count. You’re the only one misrepresenting anything. You’re continually pretending as if this is fake which is insane. Your own source said 14k reported deaths 2 months ago. Yet you pretend 18k now is absurd?

This is one of the more dishonest things I’ve seen. And yes it’s experimental. An emergency authorization means “we haven’t finished all the needed studies, but we are going to go ahead and release it because there’s an emergency”.

Now just like “reported” Covid deaths, x% of “reported” vaccine deaths will be false. But as long as you continue to lie about the reports, it’s impossible for us to discuss any of next level details of those reports
 
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evillawyer said:
I was pointing out it's a crappy form of argument. The argument was of the form: (1) Doing X (getting vaxxed) is the right thing to do, but (2) we shouldn't mandate that people do the right thing (getting vaxxed/boosted). That's not a great argument form because you can sub in all sorts of things for X that people will say SHOULD be mandated (things like, paying taxes, caring for your kids, not murdering, etc). This means there's a hidden premise that's being relied upon to draw the conclusion.
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You believe anything that’s good should be mandated? Eating veggies, not smoking, working out daily, etc?

What if mandating something that is in peoples best interest (Covid vaccines for example) is in the worst interest of the country (less police, firefighters, nurses, doctors, etc)?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
My belief is irrelevant.
If the government is forcing it then it’s bad.
If a business is doing it the it may still be bad but it’s their choice. It doesn’t become ok for you to force a business any more than the government doing it.
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I'm just asking your opinion, so it isn't irrelevant
 
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Vol8188 said:
How can we have a conversation about how many of those reported deaths were primarily due to the vaccine if you’re unwilling to admit they exist?

Once again, I claimed correctly that roughly 20k deaths have been reported from the vaccine. That’s 100% true. Idk why you refuse to admit something so basic. When you fail to do that, it makes it impossible for anyone to have an honest conversation with you about the next two important questions here (how many of those can be proven and is that enough for concern)?
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No. You. Didn't.

Can someone help this guy out? He's looking for credible evidence (any evidence) that the vaccine was responsible for 20k deaths.

You keep talking about honest conversation but you can't even provide evidence to what you're asserting.

Dude, I literally gave you the link to a study that was in JAMA, was peer reviewed and it completely contradicts what you're hoping that folks buy without asking questions.

Again, I'm not even saying you're wrong - I'm just asking you to cite the source of your claim.
 
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