Vaccine or not?

[BigOrangeTrain]

“Iowa’s short-staffed hospitals have been jammed for months with patients, including people severely sickened by COVID-19.”

“In addition to an increased number of COVID-19 cases and spread of the delta and omicron variants, hospitals across the country are dealing with traumas and experiencing multiple types of illness,”

“This demand is coupled with a reduced number of staff to care for patients. These challenges can strain available resources and contribute to delays in care or other complications for patients.”

“..nearly 82% of people hospitalized in Iowa for COVID-19 were not fully vaccinated”.

Note it doesn’t say unvaccinated. Note it says hospitals are short-staffed. Note the only people who blamed unvaccinated individuals are his daughters, not the medical professionals. Note how you continually make up your own conclusions to fit your narrative.

If people cannot see through the COVID by now then there is no hope

 

[ButchPlz]

Go work somewhere else if you don’t like it.
I’m struggling with you wanting to take away a businesses freedom in the name of freedom.
what we need is less government regulation and interference…..not more.
Who would have thought you were the communist “for the people “ guy.

Communist for the people guy? No. But I see firsthand the disgusting intersection between businesses and government. A "free market" and pure capitalism are a pipe dream just like communism is. At the end of the day, whether you are ruled by a collection of businesses or a collection of legislative bodies does not matter- you are still ruled.

Libertarianism is pure farce because, like socialism and communism, it completely ignores the reality of human nature.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Lolol
“We want the government to protect us from big bad business “

or


Man up like I did and start your own business if you don’t like the corporation you work for.
You might have to work hard though.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Communist for the people guy? No. But I see firsthand the disgusting intersection between businesses and government. A "free market" and pure capitalism are a pipe dream just like communism is. At the end of the day, whether you are ruled by a collection of businesses or a collection of legislative bodies does not matter- you are still ruled.

Libertarianism is pure farce because, like socialism and communism, it completely ignores the reality of human nature.

The only thing in my way is Government over regulation.
That and how many hours are in the day.

 

[Orangeburst]

Lolol
“We want the government to protect us from big bad business “

or


Man up like I did and start your own business if you don’t like the corporation you work for.
You might have to work hard though.

You still doing a lot of Ridge business?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Go work somewhere else if you don’t like it.
I’m struggling with you wanting to take away a businesses freedom in the name of freedom.
what we need is less government regulation and interference…..not more.
Who would have thought you were the communist “for the people “ guy.

This is a very complicated set of issues that we have been introduced to over the last 20 months that really do challenge a lot of conservative beliefs. If it was as simple as a clearly demarcated distinction between govt and the private sector, I think conventional wisdom about how to handle govt is correct.

But when we are living in a fascist/corporatist/cartelist society where you either have govt admitting to working with these larger companies... it is time to step back and start having serious conversations about what we should do to protect individual liberties.

The smallest minority is the individual.

Ayn Rand?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Do you believe bigger businesses would be requiring these injections sans the threats from the .gov?

My belief is irrelevant.
If the government is forcing it then it’s bad.
If a business is doing it the it may still be bad but it’s their choice. It doesn’t become ok for you to force a business any more than the government doing it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

If people cannot see through the COVID by now then there is no hope

There is no hope.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You still doing a lot of Ridge business?

I’m freaking covered up all over the place.

 

[ButchPlz]

The only thing in my way is Government over regulation.
That and how many hours are in the day.

Where did those government regulations originate from?

There can't be a customer without a seller. Government makes a nice, nearly invincible meat shield for the people really putting those walls in the way. Or do you think certain businesses don't have anything to do with regulation at all?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Dude.

You aren't understanding what that paragraph says.

"As of Nov. 2, people have reported to VAERS 14,506 deaths that occurred sometime after COVID-19 vaccination. Doctors at the CDC review each reported death, looking at death certificates, autopsy and medical records. Additional CDC vaccine safety monitoring systems such as the National Healthcare Safety Network, Vaccine Safety Datalink, Clinical Immununization Safety Assessment Project and FDA's vaccine safety reporting systems are then used to provide more rigorous scientific investigation of potential adverse events. The true number of deaths currently attributed to COVID-19 vaccines in detailed scientific investigation is quite small. "

It does NOT say that the deaths were attributed to the vaccine. In fact, the last sentence should sum up what the paragraph is attempting to convey.

Slow down, re-read the article - it simply doesn't say what you think it does.

Anyway, I'm not even arguing that there haven't been 20k deaths due to the vaccine as you assert, I'm simply asking you to cite where you came up with that figure. At this point all you've shown me was a far right website that was banned for covid misinformation.

Dude just stop with your BS.

Conflict of Interest Disclosures: Dr Klein reported receiving grants from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) during the conduct of the study, and grants from Pfizer, Merck, GSK, Sanofi Pasteur, and Protein Science (now SP) outside the submitted work.

 

[ButchPlz]

This is a very complicated set of issues that we have been introduced to over the last 20 months that really do challenge a lot of conservative beliefs. If it was as simple as a clearly demarcated distinction between govt and the private sector, I think conventional wisdom about how to handle govt is correct.

But when we are living in a fascist/corporatist/cartelist society where you either have govt admitting to working with these larger companies... it is time to step back and start having serious conversations about what we should do to protect individual liberties.


Ayn Rand?

I think it is originally her quote, yes.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Communist for the people guy? No. But I see firsthand the disgusting intersection between businesses and government. A "free market" and pure capitalism are a pipe dream just like communism is. At the end of the day, whether you are ruled by a collection of businesses or a collection of legislative bodies does not matter- you are still ruled.

Libertarianism is pure farce because, like socialism and communism, it completely ignores the reality of human nature.

This entire pandemic has shaken me away from a lot of the libertarian philosophies because they have a blind spot when it comes to dealing with fascism.

 

[Orangeslice13]

This is a very complicated set of issues that we have been introduced to over the last 20 months that really do challenge a lot of conservative beliefs. If it was as simple as a clearly demarcated distinction between govt and the private sector, I think conventional wisdom about how to handle govt is correct.

But when we are living in a fascist/corporatist/cartelist society where you either have govt admitting to working with these larger companies... it is time to step back and start having serious conversations about what we should do to protect individual liberties.


Ayn Rand?

I have no issue throwing government out of business

 

[Septic]

Dude just stop with your BS.

Conflict of Interest Disclosures: Dr Klein reported receiving grants from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) during the conduct of the study, and grants from Pfizer, Merck, GSK, Sanofi Pasteur, and Protein Science (now SP) outside the submitted work.

LOL

 

[ButchPlz]

I have no issue throwing government out of business

Then you need to throw out thousands of people in business as well. It's not a clear line. This is not a difficult principle.

 

[ButchPlz]

This entire pandemic has shaken me away from a lot of the libertarian philosophies because they have a blind spot when it comes to dealing with fascism.

Like I implied- it sounds great in principle but when put to reality it won't work. I've seen so much of this intermixing of business and government in my work that I'm not sure I could ever go back.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Man up like I did and start your own business if you don’t like the corporation you work for.
You might have to work hard though.

Government has shown during this pandemic that they can arbitrarily shut your azz down and/or classify you "essential or non-essential" and add mandates and orders on your business that totally bypass the proper legislative process.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The only thing in my way is Government over regulation.

Exactly

 

[Orangeslice13]

Where did those government regulations originate from?

There can't be a customer without a seller. Government makes a nice, nearly invincible meat shield for the people really putting those walls in the way. Or do you think certain businesses don't have anything to do with regulation at all?

I think the world is round.
I’m not going to be rude and ghost the conversation but I’m not really interested in getting into where this tangent is going.

Not that I don’t find it interesting, just currently don’t have time for it.
Here’s my current view. And I’m getting back in the boat now lol

 

[whodeycin85]

My belief is irrelevant.
If the government is forcing it then it’s bad.
If a business is doing it the it may still be bad but it’s their choice. It doesn’t become ok for you to force a business any more than the government doing it.

My belief is irrelevant.
If the government is forcing it then it’s bad.
If a business is doing it the it may still be bad but it’s their choice. It doesn’t become ok for you to force a business any more than the government doing it.

So wait....your not ok with government stepping on an individuals rights...but your ok with a group of buisnesses (which we have seen"big tech") doing the same as long as its not called government??? Either way its the same...individuals rights are lost whether by .gov or buisness collusion...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

My belief is irrelevant.
If the government is forcing it then it’s bad.
If a business is doing it the it may still be bad but it’s their choice. It doesn’t become ok for you to force a business any more than the government doing it.

And if a collection of large corporations come together and collude on certain issues?

 

[Orangeburst]

I’m freaking covered up all over the place.

My Mom in East Brainerd may need some work on replacing her front door. There is some leak on the roofline and she has replaced it twice over the years and it is swelling again. Dang nobody can find the leak and she replace the frame and whole facade last time about 5-6 years ago iirc. I may reach out to you if things settle down. She is like it doesn't exist as these things raise her anxiety, but always doing something like new hardwood floors, porcelain backsplash and kitchen remodel. Like most women, it is fine if it looks good, forgot about a leak.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

There is no hope.

True. The CDC and most of the governments of the world have been shown the blueprint on how to utterly make a population bend to their will. To elicit control and obedience all that has to be attached to anything is the word COVID. The media has created the greatest fear inducing term of all time. I suspect from here on out the following will become the norm.

When societies begin to live life normally again and start to ignore the incessant ramblings of “scientists” a new “variant” will be detected in some country. Said “variant” will have a ridiculous mathematical algorithm that says it’s much more transmissible. The media will be instructed to blast it on news networks around the world. Then a significant portion of the public will automatically bend to whatever measures the government says. Because the only thing that matters is “case numbers.” Death rates doesn’t matter. Only case numbers. There is zero data that says “omicron” is even close to being as “deadly” as the original strain. Yet it seems, yet again, that shutdowns are coming and more BS mask mandates.

 

[Orangeslice13]

My Mom in East Brainerd may need some work on replacing her front door. There is some leak on the roofline and she has replaced it twice over the years and it is swelling again. Dang nobody can find the leak and she replace the frame and whole facade last time about 5-6 years ago iirc. I may reach out to you if things settle down. She is like it doesn't exist as these things raise her anxiety, but always doing something like new hardwood floors, porcelain backsplash and kitchen remodel. Like most women, it is fine if it looks good, forgot about a leak.

Hit me up later.
We will be back working after new year’s