Vaccine or not?

[hog88]

Sounds about right. My company's rules were only for hourly folks, the salaried mules were free to work night and day for the führer.

My opinion is that if you are a salaried employee you work until the job is done, however long that takes. If you don't have to be here I don't really want to see your face but you better answer your damn phone and emails.

 

[hog88]

You obviously hate laws that protect employees, why stop at kidnapping?

Yes! We should bring back the slave trade. But then I'd have to house and feed them so...... maybe not a good Idea.

 

[tnmarktx]

The fact that they have to convince people to work for them.

I'll make it simple for you. Let's say your boss is an idiot. He directs you to do something that is common sense unsafe or be fired. Should that be the norm at the workplace. I mean it's your boss, are they not always right? How about sex changes required for employment? Are there any limits at all that an employer should not be able to subject an employee to?

 

[Vol8188]

I'll make it simple for you. Let's say your boss is an idiot. He directs you to do something that is common sense unsafe or be fired. Should that be the norm at the workplace. I mean it's your boss, are they not always right? How about sex changes required for employment? Are there any limits at all that an employer should not be able to subject an employee to?

Your morality it up to you. Not the government nor your boss. You are the one who has to determine that.

 

[Electric Orange]

 

[tnmarktx]

Sounds about right. My company's rules were only for hourly folks, the salaried mules were free to work night and day for the führer.

Imagine how much more work they could've gotten out of you if they'd treated you better...

 

[hog88]

I'll make it simple for you. Let's say your boss is an idiot. He directs you to do something that is common sense unsafe or be fired. Should that be the norm at the workplace. I mean it's your boss, are they not always right? How about sex changes required for employment? Are there any limits at all that an employer should not be able to subject an employee to?

Lets say an employee violates safety protocol and gets hurt being an idiot while ignoring their training because "they can do it faster this way" should the employers work comp pay for it?

 

[tnmarktx]

Your morality it up to you. Not the government nor your boss. You are the one who has to determine that.

You can't simply take the politics of left or right out and answer a simple question. Should there be any limits to what an employer subjects an employee to as a condition of employment?

 

[VolStrom]

My opinion is that if you are a salaried employee you work until the job is done, however long that takes. If you don't have to be here I don't really want to see your face but you better answer your damn phone and emails.

You would have fit in well as a manager. I spent over 35 years on call, luckily for the first 10 I wasn't as experienced as other people so I seldom got summons'd in the middle of the night. Unfortunately, I got good at my job and there was hell to pay.

 

[hog88]

You can't simply take the politics of left or right out and answer a simple question. Should there be any limits to what an employer subjects an employee to as a condition of employment?

No. Everyone is free to change jobs.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You obviously hate laws that protect employees, why stop at kidnapping?

Hogg is yanking your chain. This is just his latest installment that he wants to have the freedom to run his business as he sees fit while completely understanding he cannot abuse his employees repeatedly or he will lose the good ones.

Fact is over the years I’ve pretty much always been willing to go above and beyond for any manager that I think respected my space but just every now and then gets forced into a corner and has to crack the whip. A good manager knows how to balance that and I generally respond in a supportive fashion.

Then you have the idiots that move from one emergency to another and continually use people up and stress them out. Those asshats get the Heismann I’ve been around long enough and paid my dues that I don’t have to deal with those idiots.

Hog wants the freedom to run his business without interference. He also wants to have useful and productive employees he can trust. And a good boss knows to how balance that.

 

[Vol8188]

You can't simply take the politics of left or right out and answer a simple question. Should there be any limits to what an employer subjects an employee to as a condition of employment?

Is it the employer subjecting someone or the employee subjecting themselves? You’re still falsely viewing this as slavery

 

[tnmarktx]

Lets say an employee violates safety protocol and gets hurt being an idiot while ignoring their training because "they can do it faster this way" should the employers work comp pay for it?

It's most definitely not a given that you would have to pay workers comp. You'd have to document the training, most employers do. No you should not.

 

[hog88]

You would have fit in well as a manager. I spent over 35 years on call, luckily for the first 10 I wasn't as experienced as other people so I seldom got summons'd in the middle of the night. Unfortunately, I got good at my job and there was hell to pay.

I respect vacations. If you're salaried and on vacation it has to be a bad situation for me to bother them but we don't have a strictly defined vacation policy for salaried employees.

 

[NorthDallas40]

My opinion is that if you are a salaried employee you work until the job is done, however long that takes. If you don't have to be here I don't really want to see your face but you better answer your damn phone and emails.

Yeah that got screwed up on the federal contractor side years ago because we have to account for every minute of our day. So I can’t put it a code for “I got my stuff done early so I’m punching out”. Then at some point the idiots started paying straight time for overtime on critical programs and tasks and that just broke the whole system.

At my current pay grade I’m exempt from OT pay but I’m handled well via the overall package. And whether I answer the phone or email after 40 completely depends on who’s knocking. See post above for the rationale and I’d guess you agree.

 

[tnmarktx]

No. Everyone is free to change jobs.

If employers could implement policy unlimited, all would be similar to be competitive.

 

[VolStrom]

Imagine how much more work they could've gotten out of you if they'd treated you better...

I enjoyed my work and for the first 25 years or so I was treated well as far as pay, benefits and job grade. I don't have any regrets, I worked hard, and I was paid very well for it until the last several years. Once they decided to become a bean counter run company instead of an engineer run company, it went down hill quickly. Now they can kiss my ass.

 

[tnmarktx]

because we have to account for every minute of our day.

I've done told my job that my answer would be that I ****ed them if they implemented this.

 

[AdoptedVOL]

Then why are the vast majority of people filling up the hospitals unvaccinated?

Because very few doctors are treating early on set Covid. Dr. Peter MucCullough referenced a study where 85% of all hospitalizations could have been avoided. Compelling! Listen to the interview on Rogans podcast.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I enjoyed my work and for the first 25 years or so I was treated well as far as pay, benefits and job grade. I don't have any regrets, I worked hard, and I was paid very well for it until the last several years. Once they decided to become a bean counter run company instead of an engineer run company, it went down hill quickly. Now they can kiss my ass.

Over the 30+ years I’ve been doing this there are managers that I would absolutely pull out every stop to try and get them back straight when fiascos inevitably popped up. And those guys always squared it once the emergency was handled.

Then there are the asshats who I won’t answer the phone or email for and get zero consideration if I can’t duck their fire drill of the moment.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I've done told my job that my answer would be that I ****ed them if they implemented this.

It’s not the job. It’s federal contracts labor accounting. While it’s favorable to the asshats and they abuse it in this case they can point to laws mandating it.

 

[AdoptedVOL]

Hopefully this will all be over soon. Stay healthy.

Name a vaccine that ever eradicated a virus. This one is here for a while and vaccines can not be the only answer. We need to learn to treat before hospitalization. Sooner or later, everyone is going to catch Covid like a flu or cold.

There are protocols proven to be effective treatments if only the Faucinator would get off his high horse.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Nope.

Yes it is. It might not be enforceable if one of the parties is a dishonorable scumbag, but it IS a contract.

 

[tnmarktx]

It’s not the job. It’s federal contracts labor accounting. While it’s favorable to the asshats and they abuse it in this case they can point to laws mandating it.

If I were told that I had to account for every minute of the day, my answer would be I ****ed you today. That would be my answer every day.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

We try like hell to keep everyone under 50, as close to 40 as possible. Unless they're salary of course then we work them like rented mules........

I would never, ever take a salaried job again. Ever. The closest I get is if I have to be on call for a month. That means I get paid a certain amount whether I work a full schedule or if I don't turn a wheel. It sucks.