Vaccine or not?

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WBO said:
You don't know me so how can you make that statement? But then again this just proves how truth doesn't seem to filter down through the right wing nuts. Actual knowledge of the truth is not required. Why don't you just take another sip of your Mountain Dew and a take hit on that meth pipe.

We've already established that you're full of crap.
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Whew, multiple personality disorder striking too. Hard life.
 
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Weezy said:
I can't, but I wouldn't be surprised by that result. The population of vaxxed folks are generally more wealthy and healthier than the unvaxxed population. I'd bet there's a strong correlation of average life expectancy and vaccination rate. I know when looking at the state data and Israel that looked true.
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Yeah, that's what I would have guessed too, and now I found this.:

One explanation could be that people who get vaccinated, in general, tend to be healthier than people who don’t, the researchers said, noting that they plan to study this more in the future.

“There is no increased risk for mortality among COVID-19 vaccine recipients,” they wrote. “This finding reinforces the safety profile of currently approved COVID-19 vaccines in the United States.”

People Vaccinated Against COVID Less Likely to Die from Any Cause: Study

The difference is astounding, even if it's the result of one group being generally healthier.
 
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WBO said:
You don't know me so how can you make that statement? But then again this just proves how truth doesn't seem to filter down through the right wing nuts. Actual knowledge of the truth is not required. Why don't you just take another sip of your Mountain Dew and a take hit on that meth pipe.

We've already established that you're full of crap.
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, that's what I would have guessed too, and now I found this.:

One explanation could be that people who get vaccinated, in general, tend to be healthier than people who don’t, the researchers said, noting that they plan to study this more in the future.

“There is no increased risk for mortality among COVID-19 vaccine recipients,” they wrote. “This finding reinforces the safety profile of currently approved COVID-19 vaccines in the United States.”

People Vaccinated Against COVID Less Likely to Die from Any Cause: Study

The difference is astounding, even if it's the result of one group being generally healthier.
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Must be my left handed brain but my thought was that they should be correcting hospitalization rate data for a know population difference.

They took it as it proves the vaccine is safe. Which, I don't really think the vaccine is unsafe, at least for adults in the at risk population. It just doesn't appear all that effective. The safety question is only important once you determine it's actually needed.
 
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Weezy said:
Must be my left handed brain but my thought was that they should be correcting hospitalization rate data for a know population difference.

They took it as it proves the vaccine is safe. Which, I don't really think the vaccine is unsafe, at least for adults in the at risk population. It just doesn't appear all that effective. The safety question is only important once you determine it's actually needed.
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They didn't say that.

What do you mean it's not that effective? Effective against infection? Because the mortality and hospitalization numbers are pretty convincing.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
But, the Pfizer CEO said these shots don't work with Omicron. So the booster is basically made for Delta. There's no justification for taking it. By the time they make this omicron booster, we will be already on the next variant.

And I get a DR can pull data as we all can. I know a couple of nurses that say the opposite of your doctors data is happening. At this point, data from the government, CDC, NIH etc. really can't be trusted at this point, at least for me, after watching them the last two years.
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Don't really know/care much about the Pfizer, our health Dept has used Moderna from the start. Duke's study says the current Moderna booster (while less effective than against Delta) has tangible Omicron antibodies up to 6 months post shot.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, that's what I would have guessed too, and now I found this.:

One explanation could be that people who get vaccinated, in general, tend to be healthier than people who don’t, the researchers said, noting that they plan to study this more in the future.

“There is no increased risk for mortality among COVID-19 vaccine recipients,” they wrote. “This finding reinforces the safety profile of currently approved COVID-19 vaccines in the United States.”

People Vaccinated Against COVID Less Likely to Die from Any Cause: Study

The difference is astounding, even if it's the result of one group being generally healthier.
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That study is from the CDC. After the last two years I don't trust them as far as I could kick them.

Your real news on covid, therapeutics, and vaccines will come from other countries not bought and paid for by big pharma.
 
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n_huffhines said:
They didn't say that.

What do you mean it's not that effective? Effective against infection? Because the mortality and hospitalization numbers are pretty convincing.
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They are for the unvaxxed too. The only difference is when you get up in to the older age of 65+. And the data for that age group is being used to push this experimental shot on everyone of all ages because of money and politics.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
That study is from the CDC. After the last two years I don't trust them as far as I could kick them.

Your real news on covid, therapeutics, and vaccines will come from other countries not bought and paid for by big pharma.
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Third world countries like Japan, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark are vastly inferior to the almighty CDC.
 
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n_huffhines said:
They didn't say that.

What do you mean it's not that effective? Effective against infection? Because the mortality and hospitalization numbers are pretty convincing.
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It says it reinforces the safety profile of the vaccines.

The data shows that even the most highly vaccinated areas are experiencing surges that dwarf the others. Each state has taken their turn surging from an infection rate perspective. And anecdotally I know as many people that have been tripled vaccinated that got it recently as those that aren't. And the cases are the same from what I can tell.

And if you've paid attention to the more recent arguments it has moved from infection to hospitalizations. But anecdotally and in this data, it appears that those two population sets are not the same in health. If you control for that variable, is the vaccine still effective? What's the hypothesis that says a vaccine is ineffective at preventing a mild case but very effective at preventing a deadly case? I still think that's likely, but not nearly as strong as the reporting suggests.
 
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Somebody please tell me this is fake news.

Police in Germany have been ordered to shoot citizens who speak out against the government’s Coronavirus restrictions.
Yes, really.

In the town of Ostfildern in the district of Esslingen, far-left mayor Christof Bolay issued a “general decree” on January 26, 2022, allowing police to shoot peaceful protestors speaking out against vaccine mandates.


German Mayor Issues Order to Shoot Vaccine Critics
 
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VolinWayne said:
Somebody please tell me this is fake news.

Police in Germany have been ordered to shoot citizens who speak out against the government’s Coronavirus restrictions.
Yes, really.

In the town of Ostfildern in the district of Esslingen, far-left mayor Christof Bolay issued a “general decree” on January 26, 2022, allowing police to shoot peaceful protestors speaking out against vaccine mandates.


German Mayor Issues Order to Shoot Vaccine Critics
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Lol. Anyone know what any of this says? 👀

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85SugarVol said:
Lol. Anyone know what any of this says? 👀

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You won't find anything using Google. I used duck duck go and found some German articles (which I had to use translate app) and apparantly
a passage in Ostfildern's decree has now triggered a wave of outrage in the vaccination-critical scene. The text says: "In order to ensure that the ban on assembly is observed, the use of direct coercion, i.e. the influence on people through simple physical violence, tools of physical violence or the use of weapons is threatened." The opponents of vaccination interpret this passage in such a way that Ostfildern the Corona demonstrators are threatened with the immediate use of weapons, and there is also talk of a “order to shoot” against demonstrators.
 
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VolinWayne said:
You won't find anything using Google. I used duck duck go and found some German articles (which I had to use translate app) and apparantly
a passage in Ostfildern's decree has now triggered a wave of outrage in the vaccination-critical scene. The text says: "In order to ensure that the ban on assembly is observed, the use of direct coercion, i.e. the influence on people through simple physical violence, tools of physical violence or the use of weapons is threatened." The opponents of vaccination interpret this passage in such a way that Ostfildern the Corona demonstrators are threatened with the immediate use of weapons, and there is also talk of a “order to shoot” against demonstrators.
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Why can’t you use Google?
 
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VolinWayne said:
Somebody please tell me this is fake news.

Police in Germany have been ordered to shoot citizens who speak out against the government’s Coronavirus restrictions.
Yes, really.

In the town of Ostfildern in the district of Esslingen, far-left mayor Christof Bolay issued a “general decree” on January 26, 2022, allowing police to shoot peaceful protestors speaking out against vaccine mandates.


German Mayor Issues Order to Shoot Vaccine Critics
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If the police kill citizens for living their lives naturally, but won't kill that mayor for violating their human rights, then the police are at fault.
 
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Got the vaccine and booster (personal choice) and tested positive today. Started having a sore throat Friday morning and a cough developed Saturday. Other than that I feel fine, had some headaches Friday night/Saturday but those went away.
 
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tntar heel said:
Had a Recon SSG when was in military that we had to lay down on an exam table each time before a vaccination because he would pass out. This guy was a huge ball of muscle Samoan triple canopy (Airborne, Ranger, Special Forces) door kicker. He would turn white as snow and crumble to the floor at the sight of a needle coming toward him.
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I know when someone could fight a gorilla and win yet faints at needles, I’m not volunteering to be “that” nurse.
 
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Burhead said:
Got the vaccine and booster (personal choice) and tested positive today. Started having a sore throat Friday morning and a cough developed Saturday. Other than that I feel fine, had some headaches Friday night/Saturday but those went away.
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This seems to be what I’m hearing from all coworkers who have tested positive. Sore throat, cough and headache. The duration is very short.
 
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Highway Patrolman (and huge right wing media star) Robert Lamay to Washington governor Jay Inslee over vaccination requirement: "Kiss my ass."

Covid-19 to Robert Lamay: "You're dead."

I hope the antivax whack-jobs just keep refusing the vaccine and keep dying. 6-7 years of 300k deaths a year and we'll thin the herd by natural selection. Probably will even raise the mean IQ of the country as well.
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You can't talk about this story without someone from the right accusing you of "celebrating another person's death." Posts such as the one above, don't help matters. You appear to be gloating, and that is crass and repugnant.

I want to make it clear right away that I consider this man's death to be a horrible tragedy. He was a devoted public servant, a husband and a father, who no doubt also leaves behind many friends.

RIP, Officer Robert LaMay.

I'm not approaching this post from a position of being critical of the departed. Robert LaMay had personal convictions against vaccinations, and he stood by them. Right or wrong, smart or foolish, it was his right to remain unvaccinated.

However, this story should be discussed, because Fox News deserves some criticism for how they have handled this. The hosts on Fox News have treated anti-vaxxers such as Robert LaMay like folk heroes for their public defiance of vaccination mandates, but they never do follow up reports when these same people (such as LaMay) contract COVID-19 and die. LaMay's death has still not been mentioned anywhere on Fox News, despite the fact that they had him as a frequent guest on multiple shows just 3 1/2 months ago. This is bad journalism. Fox News has not told their viewers the whole story that there is to tell regarding Mr. LaMay's stance against COVID vaccines.

Fox News propping up anti-vaxxer, Robert LaMay, as a folk hero (below).

Trooper Bragged On Fox Of 'Phenomenal Job Offers' After He Resigned

^^^ Video of his now infamous interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham. ^^^

Washington trooper signs out for last time, tells Inslee he can 'kiss my a--'

State trooper explains why he told liberal governor to 'kiss my a--' and quit over vaccine mandate

Robert LaMay's tragic death from COVID-19. RIP (below).

Trooper dies after quitting job over vaccination requirement

Fox News has still not mentioned Robert LaMay's COVID-related death (below).

Fox News under fire for failing to report on trooper’s death from Covid after they aired his anti-vax stance

In addition to not mentioning the death of Robert LaMay, Fox News has also failed to mention their own vaccine mandate. Back in December, Fox Corporation, the owner of Fox News, told employees that those working in New York City would have to show proof they'd had at least one dose of the COVID vaccine by December 27th, which removed a previously held testing option for them.

Fox News requires COVID vaccinations (below).

Fox News drops testing option for office workers and will require vaccination

To say that this reveals hypocrisy is an understatement.

On the one hand, Fox News hosts rail against all vaccination mandates, and applaud the heroes who have taken a stand against them. On the other hand, Fox News hosts have already abided by a vaccination mandate in their own lives. They are both hypocrites and bad journalists.
 
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