Vaccine or not?

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evillawyer said:
But the myocarditis!

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This is a bit lengthy….
It’s between two years. There is plenty of data that shows who can potentially benefit most from vaccination. The continued “one size fits all” approach of recommending vaccinating from, soon, 6 months and up needs to be evaluated.
Hospitalizations and deaths are (vaccinated or not) still OVERWHELMINGLY in the 65+ age group. EA3A7CF7-BE6C-4AB9-86B9-537CA0086591.jpeg
4A4F40F2-3A9C-4624-B122-0C7D44260F73.jpegAnd deaths follow a similar pattern
2D988D71-D47E-4FD6-AB21-A5556A7BA4F7.jpegSo, the question is why do we continue to encourage, shame, force, coerce, or mandate other portions of our population into vaccination??

It used to be because we thought it could stop the spread. Now we know it doesn’t. Another argument is that you don’t want to risk the long term effects of a Covid infection. Well, contrary to Eric’s tweet, there have been NO long term safety studies in “billions” of people for the vaccine. Likewise, we actually have no long term studies of Covid. Two years isn’t long term.

He says it “free.” That’s obviously not true. Somehow, somewhat (taxes, inflation) we’ll all be paying for it.

But it is widely available. Do you know what else is “free” but isn’t widely available??? Paxlovid. It’s also has studies that show 90% effectiveness preventing hospitalizations. Maybe some of those 99% unvaccinated could’ve benefitted from a treatment? Why isn’t the treatment that has been approved for over two months widely available?? Joe blamed Trump for not having a plan to distribute the vaccines. I blame Joe for not having a plan to distribute the treatments.

And as for myocarditis, I don’t believe it to be a significant risk in the population that would benefit most from vaccination….over 65 or over 50 with obesity or medical comorbidities. HOWEVER, it actually IS a risk in younger adults, especially males. Other countries don’t even recommend vaccinations for under 16. Very few recommend boosting unless in an at risk group.

Very long post, but it’s time for the CDC to actually make reasonably and medically sound recommendations for the vaccine. Continuing to push a one size fits all model is actually more harmful.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
STATE employees are not private business employees last I checked.
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Your post didn't make any sense unless you were talking about state employees, because in the very next line you specifically mentioned employees of privately-owned businesses. Why would you include them twice?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It happens. That doesn't render all Supreme Court precedents meaningless. Once again, Jacobson v. Massachusetts has withstood challenges for 116 years. Is Gideon v. Wainwright meaningless? No, it fundamentally changed our system of justice.
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Calm yourself. I may have gotten a bit carried away with what I said, but the thrust of what I meant is that just because there is some prior SCOTUS ruling that is out there, that doesn't mean that it is the end all/be all necessarily. The courts get it wrong often enough to where we shouldn't just blindly assume that a precedent is established and set in stone forever.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Your post didn't make any sense unless you were talking about state employees, because in the very next line you specifically mentioned employees of privately-owned businesses. Why would you include them twice?
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You were talking about Fox News hypocrites despite Fox News having a mandate. I argued that Fox and most other people being anti-mandate on private businesses, specifically by the government, which is what the OSHA rule tried to do. Spare me the testing opt out BS, because we know at the end of the day the testing headache and costs would ultimately get workers to cave or lead to businesses issuing their own mandates to avoid all the reporting, auditing etc. So it was a heavy handed approach by the government to force mass vaccination on the holdouts working for privately owned businesses.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Of the 211 million people in the United States who have been fully vaccinated from COVID, how many have dropped "because of heart problems from the shot?"

Your post is just as melodramatic as the over-reaction to COVID which you are against.
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None according to the very agencies pushing for the shot in every arm. I’m not so naive to not see that both sides of the aisle/spectrum lie to us and often times have ulterior motives. You appear to be so naive that when Snopes or Vox fact checkers tells you nobody has died it’s gospel.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
You were talking about Fox News hypocrites despite Fox News having a mandate. I argued that Fox and most other people being anti-mandate on private businesses, specifically by the government, which is what the OSHA rule tried to do. Spare me the testing opt out BS, because we know at the end of the day the testing headache and costs would ultimately get workers to cave or lead to businesses issuing their own mandates to avoid all the reporting, auditing etc. So it was a heavy handed approach by the government to force mass vaccination on the holdouts working for privately owned businesses.
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The Fox News mandate from December was not imposed by the government. It was self-imposed by Fox Corporation as I explained. The hosts on Fox News are hypocrites for not disclosing this information to their viewership. Those hosts railed against such mandates on the air, while simultaneously working under one.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The Fox News mandate was not imposed by the government. It was self-imposed by Fox Corporation as I explained. The hosts on Fox News are hypocrites for not disclosing this information to their viewership. Those hosts railed against such mandates on the air, while simultaneously working under one.
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I watch Fox every night and they rail against GOVERNMENT mandates. I understand theirs was issued by their employer only and am not debating that. I also said they’re a private business and can do it and should be allowed to. I can disagree with doing it but respect the rights of employers to do what they wish. I’m ok with a business hiring who they want, not serving who they want etc. I disagree with their premise but it’s their choice and markets will ultimately judge their choices. You also act like this is some long standing phenomenon; it went into affect basically a month ago. Have they continually railed on private mandates in the last 30 days? Most of January centered on the OSHA mandate and subsequent SCOTUS decision.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
I watch Fox every night and they rail against GOVERNMENT mandates. I understand theirs was issued by their employer only and am not debating that. I also said they’re a private business and can do it and should be allowed to. I can disagree with doing it but respect the rights of employers to do what they wish. I’m ok with a business hiring who they want, not serving who they want etc. I disagree with their premise but it’s their choice and markets will ultimately judge their choices. You also act like this is some long standing phenomenon; it went into affect basically a month ago. Have they continually railed on private mandates in the last 30 days? Most of January centered on the OSHA mandate and subsequent SCOTUS decision.
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No, they rail against all mandates... including mask mandates imposed by private businesses.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Of the 211 million people in the United States who have been fully vaccinated from COVID, how many have dropped "because of heart problems from the shot?"

Your post is just as melodramatic as the over-reaction to COVID which you are against.
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I don't and will not trust the 18 year old "opinion fact checkers." You're welcome to do so.

The military is in a age group that doesn't need the experimental shot.
 
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