Vaccine or not?

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EasternVol said:
Vaccination reduces the number of people who get the bug and the number of people that can spread it. How is that not in the people's best interest? So year unless there's a contra-indication people should get vaxxed and boosted.
It's public health. Do you consider that an agenda? Do you get tired of seeing 'employees must wash hands' sign in restaurant bathrooms?
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Yes to all the above, broken record.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
You still lack long term evidence to make that last statement. I care for both those who have had the shot and those who haven’t. We can point to evidence that the shot is causing issues with many systems in the body right now. We cannot however know what the shot will do in 5 years.
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So the shot will have some kind of long term effect years after it has left the system but the virus won’t? They both hijack cells to create spike proteins and then our immune system detects them and destroys them. I think if the spike protein causes long term damage then we are all screwed.
 
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Big Orange#1 said:
So the shot will have some kind of long term effect years after it has left the system but the virus won’t?
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Both can. The flu I caught when I was 23 caused my immune system to over react and attacked the nerve cells at the base of my esophagus. I have suffered extremely painful spasms and difficulty swallowing ever since. That was 20 years ago. 20 years of hell at times. Both vaccines and infections of any type could have caused this terrible auto-immune disease I have called achalasia.
 
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EasternVol said:
Vaccination reduces the number of people who get the bug and the number of people that can spread it. How is that not in the people's best interest? So year unless there's a contra-indication people should get vaxxed and boosted.
It's public health. Do you consider that an agenda? Do you get tired of seeing 'employees must wash hands' sign in restaurant bathrooms?
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We know that this is 100 percent not true. Some may not get is ill if they catch it is all the jab offers.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Both can. The flu I caught when I was 23 caused my immune system to over react and attacked the nerve cells at the base of my esophagus. I have suffered extremely painful spasms and difficulty swallowing ever since. That was 20 years ago. 20 years of hell at times. Both vaccines and infections of any type could have caused this terrible auto-immune disease I have called achalasia.
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Wow, that aligns with this study I saw the other day. COVID-19 Can Trigger Self-Attacking Antibodies self attacking antibodies can lead increased chance of auto immune diseases and dementia. Which makes sense with a family friend’s mom who had dementia and caught covid a year ago (not vaxxed). The covid didn’t effect her lungs badly but rapidly progressed her dementia basically by like 8 months in a span of two weeks. and she died a couple weeks later it was crazy and sad. Reading this new info coming out makes sense of that a little bit.
 
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norrislakevol said:
We know that this is 100 percent not true. Some may not get is ill if they catch it is all the jab offers.
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Per CDC Science Brief: COVID-19 Vaccines and Vaccination updated 15 September 2021:
"...Evidence demonstrates that the approved or authorized COVID-19 vaccines are both efficacious and effective against symptomatic, laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, including severe forms of the disease. I In addition, as shown below, a growing body of evidence suggests that COVID-19 vaccines also reduce asymptomatic infection and transmission. Substantial reductions in SARS-CoV-2 infections (both symptomatic and asymptomatic) will reduce overall levels of disease, and therefore, SARS-CoV-2 virus transmission in the United States. Investigations are ongoing to further assess the risk of transmission from fully vaccinated persons with SARS-CoV-2 infections to other vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Early evidence suggests infections in fully vaccinated persons caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 may be transmissible to others; however, SARS-CoV-2 transmission between unvaccinated persons is the primary cause of continued spread. "
 
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Big Orange#1 said:
Wow, that aligns with this study I saw the other day. COVID-19 Can Trigger Self-Attacking Antibodies self attacking antibodies can lead increased chance of auto immune diseases and dementia. Which makes sense with a family friend’s mom who had dementia and caught covid a year ago (not vaxxed). The covid didn’t effect her lungs badly but rapidly progressed her dementia basically by like 8 months in a span of two weeks. and she died a couple weeks later it was crazy and sad. Reading this new info coming out makes sense of that a little bit.
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Any vaccine, viral infection, or bacterial infection can kick your immune system into overdrive with disastrous results, no matter how old you are. Even the common cold can do it. It's part of being human for some people.
 
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EasternVol said:
Per CDC Science Brief: COVID-19 Vaccines and Vaccination updated 15 September 2021:
"...Evidence demonstrates that the approved or authorized COVID-19 vaccines are both efficacious and effective against symptomatic, laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, including severe forms of the disease. I In addition, as shown below, a growing body of evidence suggests that COVID-19 vaccines also reduce asymptomatic infection and transmission. Substantial reductions in SARS-CoV-2 infections (both symptomatic and asymptomatic) will reduce overall levels of disease, and therefore, SARS-CoV-2 virus transmission in the United States. Investigations are ongoing to further assess the risk of transmission from fully vaccinated persons with SARS-CoV-2 infections to other vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Early evidence suggests infections in fully vaccinated persons caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 may be transmissible to others; however, SARS-CoV-2 transmission between unvaccinated persons is the primary cause of continued spread. "
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Your last highlighted sentence is old science and has been debunked. In fact, some recent evidence have shown that infection rates with this weak omicron variant have been higher in those that have been vaccinated.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
You still lack long term evidence to make that last statement. I care for both those who have had the shot and those who haven’t. We can point to evidence that the shot is causing issues with many systems in the body right now. We cannot however know what the shot will do in 5 years.
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Have you found any evidence that the virus does bad things to systems in the body?

You people scour the internets for anything bad that happens to anyone vaccinated, yet completely ignore the 900,000 Ameicans who have died due to an infection.

I've never seen anything more bizarre in my life.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Your last highlighted sentence is old science and has been debunked. In fact, some recent evidence have shown that infection rates with this weak omicron variant have been higher in those that have been vaccinated.
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That's interesting. I don't see it on CDC's site. Where can I find that?
 
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EasternVol said:
Vaccination reduces the number of people who get the bug and the number of people that can spread it. How is that not in the people's best interest? So year unless there's a contra-indication people should get vaxxed and boosted.
It's public health. Do you consider that an agenda? Do you get tired of seeing 'employees must wash hands' sign in restaurant bathrooms?
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This is deliberate spreading of misinformation.
 
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I think this is a good discussion. One that our actual public health officials should be having with Americans. A year ago, the vaccine was seen as an end to the pandemic because it was believed it would prevent disease and transmission. Then Delta hit and early on there became “breakthrough” cases. That’s when we went from “prevents illness” to “reduces severity.” There were also some early studies that showed transmission might still be lower in vaccinated. However even that faded as Delta wore on and breakthrough infections increased. Now with Omicron, it is clear that vaccines don’t prevent spread, but do still reduce severity of illness (Omicron Variant: What You Need to Know).

If vaccination is no longer helpful in reducing transmission, then it is no longer a public health issue. The vaccine isn’t going to keep you from infecting grandma. However there is plenty of data that shows it reduces severity of illness and death. But that is then a personal health issue. The CDC website is full of recommendations for things to do to reduce other illnesses severity and death, including vaccinations for other respiratory illnesses. That’s what the Covid vaccine should be at this point.
 
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EasternVol said:
That's interesting. I don't see it on CDC's site. Where can I find that?
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Omicron Variant: What You Need to Know
“The Omicron variant spreads more easily than the original virus that causes COVID-19 and the Delta variant. CDC expects that anyone with Omicron infection can spread the virus to others, even if they are vaccinated or don’t have symptoms.”
 
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newyorkvol said:
Omicron Variant: What You Need to Know
“The Omicron variant spreads more easily than the original virus that causes COVID-19 and the Delta variant. CDC expects that anyone with Omicron infection can spread the virus to others, even if they are vaccinated or don’t have symptoms.”
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The smug azzhat was certain there wouldn’t be a reply showing that 😂
 
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Velo Vol said:
Have you found any evidence that the virus does bad things to systems in the body?

You people scour the internets for anything bad that happens to anyone vaccinated, yet completely ignore the 900,000 Ameicans who have died due to an infection.

I've never seen anything more bizarre in my life.
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It's like a cult.
 
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