Vaccine or not?

[utvolpj]

Not if you take just one post as you are doing in this case. Going back and forth 10 times explicitly stating they are applying generalizations absolutely is.

Ok I'll ask, where is the proof the vaccinated are getting omicron at a higher rate? You seemed to gleefully believe the previous response addressed it which it did not

 

[EasternVol]

Omicron Variant: What You Need to Know
“The Omicron variant spreads more easily than the original virus that causes COVID-19 and the Delta variant. CDC expects that anyone with Omicron infection can spread the virus to others, even if they are vaccinated or don’t have symptoms.”

Thanks, I had not seen that. I don't find anything there to indicate that vaccines don't reduce infection and transmission. What am I missing? I do see that CDC is still pushing the vaccines in that document.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I would like to know which vaccines had mild, short-term side effects, but really terrible long term side effects.

This is the first vaccine injecting synthetics in to the body. You can't compare it to previous vaccines.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ok I'll ask, where is the proof the vaccinated are getting omicron at a higher rate? You seemed to gleefully believe the previous response addressed it which it did not

You don’t think the phrase

“anyone with Omicron infection can spread the virus to others, even if they are vaccinated or don’t have symptoms”

Implies there is no discernible reduction in rate of infection with the vaccine as related to the Omicron variant?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Thanks, I had not seen that. I don't find anything there to indicate that vaccines don't reduce infection and transmission. What am I missing? I do see that CDC is still pushing the vaccines in that document.

“anyone with Omicron infection can spread the virus to others, even if they are vaccinated or don’t have symptoms”

 

[NorthDallas40]

It would appear you have a willing partner in being purposely obtuse @utvolpj

 

[EasternVol]

Kinda like “just take the jab and shut up” cult? That kind of cult?

It's the ' I will ignore facts and science and put my own and other people's health at risk just to make a political point' cult.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It's the ' I will ignore facts and science and put my own and other people's health at risk just to make a political point' cult.

Is that your cults mantra? Nevermind I know it is.

 

[utvolpj]

You don’t think the phrase

“anyone with Omicron infection can spread the virus to others, even if they are vaccinated or don’t have symptoms”

Implies there is no discernible reduction in rate of infection with the vaccine as related to the Omicron variant?

That doesn't answer my question. The claim was that vaccinated are getting it at a higher rate. Where is that data?

 

[EasternVol]

“anyone with Omicron infection can spread the virus to others, even if they are vaccinated or don’t have symptoms”

So can anyone with previous variants. That's been known for a long while. But that's not the point. Is it mentioned in that file that vaccination is not effective against omicron infection or transmission?

 

[utvolpj]

It would appear you have a willing partner in being purposely obtuse @utvolpj

Says the guy who completely avoided the question to answer another unrelated one

 

[newyorkvol]

Have you found any evidence that the virus does bad things to systems in the body?

You people scour the internets for anything bad that happens to anyone vaccinated, yet completely ignore the 900,000 Ameicans who have died due to an infection.

I've never seen anything more bizarre in my life.

It’s all bizarre. People sifting through their preferred resource to find what supports their point of view. It’s confirmation bias used to convert a complex issue into a binary one. Vaccines good/bad.

We have nothing bit short term data on both the disease and the vaccine. So any argument regarding long term effects are purely speculative and based on similarities with other diseases/vaccines.

However, Short term data has shown the vaccine to be very helpful in preventing severe illness and death and it’s safe. But not without some issues. And those issues have primarily been found in the younger population, especially males. Some countries are not even recommending vaccination (let alone boosters) for their youth because of this.

 

[NorthDallas40]

That doesn't answer my question. The claim was that vaccinated are getting it at a higher rate. Where is that data?

As far as I’m concerned I answered you question and I’ve also already pointed to your obtuseness. As it has been posted several times I won’t bother copy pasting again that the CDC’s own statement shows it doesn’t prevent infection from omicron. You can continue to parse to what degree all you like.

 

[EasternVol]

Is that your cults mantra? Nevermind I know it is.

My cult's mantra is more like 'use your brain as best you can and don't be intentionally ignorant'. That, Go Vols, and Buck Fama.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Says the guy who completely avoided the question to answer another unrelated one

Oh I believe I answered it. No I don’t expect you to admit that

 

[NorthDallas40]

My cult's mantra is more like 'use your brain as best you can and don't be intentionally ignorant'. That, Go Vols, and Buck Fama.

Not when you make stupid ass generalizations which you already admitted you were doing.

 

[utvolpj]

As far as I’m concerned I answered you question and I’ve also already pointed to your obtuseness. As it has been posted several times I won’t bother copy pasting again that the CDC’s own statement shows it doesn’t prevent infection from omicron. You can continue to parse to what degree all you like.

Read it again as I never asked about infection. I asked about the claim that the vaccinated are getting omicron at a higher rate than the unvaccinated. You never addressed that and instead keep arguing something never asked in my post. You do this quite often

 

[EasternVol]

Not when you make stupid ass generalizations which you already admitted you were doing.

Have a good day and stay healthy.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Read it again as I never asked about infection. I asked about the claim that the vaccinated are getting omicron at a higher rate than the unvaccinated. You never addressed that and instead keep arguing something never asked in my post. You do this quite often

Taken as a whole the posters posts which you are so admirably coming to the rescue on yes the question was answered. You are now splitting hairs on one post while ignoring the context of the discussion it was in. You do this quite often.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Have a good day and stay healthy.

You too.

 

[utvolpj]

Taken as a whole the posters posts which you are so admirably coming to the rescue on yes the question was answered. You are now splitting hairs on one post while ignoring the context of the discussion it was in. You do this quite often.

It's not splitting hairs to ask the poster to back their claim that

In fact, some recent evidence have shown that infection rates with this weak omicron variant have been higher in those that have been vaccinated.

it is a completely separate claim than the other being discussed

Because, based on recent hospitalization data, if that's true then it gives support to the claim that the vax reduces serious illness. That would be inconvenient

 

[kiddiedoc]

That doesn't answer my question. The claim was that vaccinated are getting it at a higher rate. Where is that data?

PJ, there isn't any data demonstrating that in the U.S. yet, but vaccinated people do appear just as likely as unvaccinated people to catch and transmit the new strain. Honestly, it's basically a different virus, and they really should rename the strain to avoid confusion. Prior antibodies don't neutralize it, it isn't nearly as aggressive, and many of the weird effects aren't happening at anywhere close to the prior rate (MIS, cytokine storm, lung inflammation, loss of smell).

However, data from other highly vaccinated countries (see: Israel) is quite alarming. In some cases, it appears that more boosters actually has an opposite effect on protection. Very strange. There has been a theory proposed of "numbing" the immune system/T cells.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Probably something in the 1800s. They tried some really quacky stuff before bacteria, viruses were understood.

Look up RSV vaccine (antibody dependent enhancement) and rotavirus vaccine (intussusception).

 

[kiddiedoc]

Whatever the health risks of the vaccine are, they are certainly less than those of the virus.

Serious questions:

What is the effect on later fertility for the approximately 1 in 10 women who see a significant alteration in their menstrual cycle? How about prepubescent girls?

Do the young males who develop myocardial inflammation develop early CHF or arrhythmias later in life?

Is there any long term risk of autoimmune conditions or malignancy that could be triggered by repeated exposure to mRNA production of spike protein?

Is there any effect of spike protein deposited in organs or the brain? Early development of dementia?

 

[ButchPlz]

As far as I’m concerned I answered you question and I’ve also already pointed to your obtuseness. As it has been posted several times I won’t bother copy pasting again that the CDC’s own statement shows it doesn’t prevent infection from omicron. You can continue to parse to what degree all you like.

The updated requirements to re-enter the country show they don't believe the vaccines prevent spread, as well, as now both vaccinated and un-vaccinated Americans returning to the US have the same negative testing requirements.

Then you have: Israeli Hospital: 4th Vaccination Does Not Prevent Spread of Omicron

Omicron thwarts some of the world’s most-used COVID vaccines

Can fully vaccinated people spread the omicron variant to others? What the CDC says

So the brainlet saying vaccinated don't spread COVID is spreading misinformation. Shouldn't he he banned?