Vaccine or not?

[NorthDallas40]

Or maybe they don’t work as advertised.

Well, come to think of it, that’s not true either. The box tells you they are not effective for this purpose.

No it has to be because people aren’t doing what they’re told. That’s the only thing that makes sense.

 

[C-south]

Probably because people don't follow the mandates.
Edit: should say maybe because people don't follow the mandates

What mandates?

 

[EasternVol]

Wow that’s a really convenient rationalization for you isn’t it?

Yes. What studies show they're not effective?

 

[EasternVol]

What mandates?

The mandates mentioned as not being effective..

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yes. What studies show they're not effective?

I’m pretty certain that other posters have dropped them on you, I’ve seen them, and you just rationalize them away. It’s all you’ve done here thus far

 

[EasternVol]

I’m pretty certain that other posters have dropped them on you, I’ve seen them, and you just rationalize them away. It’s all you’ve done here thus far

Not me, sorry. Must have been someone else.

 

[C-south]

The mandates mentioned as not being effective..

No mandates here.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Not me, sorry. Must have been someone else.

Ok sure.

 

[EasternVol]

I’m pretty certain that other posters have dropped them on you, I’ve seen them, and you just rationalize them away. It’s all you’ve done here thus far

Just a quick check: CDC, NIH and even Forbes say they're effective. At least CDC and NIH should be credible. It would be interesting to see studies to the contrary.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Just a quick check: CDC, NIH and even Forbes say they're effective. At least CDC and NIH should be credible. It would be interesting to see studies to the contrary.

Well Forbes sold it for me. I mean Forbes is my goto place for medical advice.

And no CDC nor NIH have any credibility at this point.

 

[EasternVol]

Except you still can spread Covid even if wearing masks or having been vaccinated

Yes but not as much.

 

[EasternVol]

Well Forbes sold it for me. I mean Forbes is my goto place for medical advice.

Mine too. But CDC and NIH even more.

 

[C-south]

Yes but not as much.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Yes but not as much.

True. The Johns Hopkins meta-analysis concluded that lockdowns and restrictions yielded a 0.2% reduction in mortality. Obviously, the collateral damage was much worse.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

CDC weighs increasing time between vaccine doses to lower risk of heart inflammation

 

[evillawyer]

 

[NorthDallas40]

Mine too. But CDC and NIH even more.

I’d trust Forbes now before the NIH or CDC

 

[EasternVol]

True. The Johns Hopkins meta-analysis concluded that lockdowns and restrictions yeilded a 0.2% reduction in mortality. Obviously, the collateral damage was much worse.

That is interesting. I'm surprised the diference is so small. I'll look into the study.
What other factors are at play? I'm curious because comparing a place with strong measures (Singapore) to a place with weaker measures (Tennessee) shows very differnt results.
Singapore has strict lockdowns and a strong mask madate (don't wear a mask correctly in public, go to court). Tennessee, not so much to say the least.
Singapore: 5.7 million people in 281 square miles, 398K infections per Singapore MOH.
Tennessee, 7 million people, 1.88M infections per NYT.
Singapore has mandatory contact tracing (I'm not advocating that for TN). Would that make a significant difference?
Deaths are also much higher in Tennessee, 22,700 to 870.
There's no doubt that lockdowns are very costly. Mask mandates are more of a PITA.

 

[Jxn Vol]

CDC weighs increasing time between vaccine doses to lower risk of heart inflammation

They are getting close to saying that this is a problem here.

Just making up chit as they go.

 

[Jxn Vol]

That is interesting. I'm surprised the diference is so small. I'll look into the study.
What other factors are at play? I'm curious because comparing a place with strong measures (Singapore) to a place with weaker measures (Tennessee) shows very differnt results.
Singapore has strict lockdowns and a strong mask madate (don't wear a mask correctly in public, go to court). Tennessee, not so much to say the least.
Singapore: 5.7 million people in 281 square miles, 398K infections Singapore MOH.
Tennessee, 7 million people, 1.88M infections per NYT.
Singapore has mandatory contact tracing (I'm not advocating that for TN). Would that make a significant difference?
Deaths are also much higher in Tennessee, 22,700 to 870.
No doubt the lockdowns are very costly. Mask mandates are more of a PITA.

I’m guessing we have more fat folks with greater risk factors in TN than Singapore. I’m also guessing the collateral damage is greater also.

 

[EasternVol]

I’m guessing we have more fat folks with greater risk factors in TN than Singapore. I’m also guessing the collateral damage is greater also.

There are certainly way more fat folks in Tennessee but that should not factor in the infection rate. It would factor in the death rate.

 

[Jxn Vol]

There are certainly way more fat folks in Tennessee but that should not factor in the infection rate. It would factor in the death rate.

Who knows about the testing accuracy. That’s a moving target if I have ever seen one.

 

[EasternVol]

Who knows about the testing accuracy. That’s a moving target if I have ever seen one.

Singapore uses PCR to confirm infection so they're pretty accurate. What's the false positive rate in Tennessee?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Let’s all read this headline out loud to ourselves!

“…. to lower risk of heart inflammation”

And these dumbasses lose even more credibility.

CDC weighs increasing time between vaccine doses to lower risk of heart inflammation

 

[ButchPlz]

CDC weighs increasing time between vaccine doses to lower risk of heart inflammation

I was told, in this very thread, that heart risks for the vax are nonexistent.