Vaccine or not?

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evillawyer said:
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Viral respiratory illnesses cause increased cardiac risk. That’s why those in high risk should be vaccinated for Covid and influenza.

Also, the “15-fold” increase in risk for myocarditis was in 9/20594 subject. So, yes, that’s 15x their baseline of 2. However, it also means that 99.96% of those with Covid DIDNT have myocarditis.
 
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newyorkvol said:
Viral respiratory illnesses cause increased cardiac risk. That’s why those in high risk should be vaccinated for Covid and influenza.

Also, the “15-fold” increase in risk for myocarditis was in 9/20594 subject. So, yes, that’s 15x their baseline of 2. However, it also means that 99.96% of those with Covid DIDNT have myocarditis.
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Stop killing grandma you bastard!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The tripe article offered up above appears to be the peer reviewed version of the one circulating early last year that was lambasted for not having any applicability on a sub micron particle. Some of the text appears to have changed to protect the guilty but we still have this nugget



For reference for @EasternVol ’s education on the matter the virus size is around 0.05 micron so we’re talking about a useless test focusing on particles 100x larger than the virus in question. The whole “study” is a classic example of bad science.

I won’t digress into the faulty background in the methodology as related to camera aperture diameter, imaged wavelength, and diffraction limit of the optical system this time. Instead I’ll just point out that when attempting to image particles of this size they don’t bust out wide optical field imagers they go to very high powered microscopes.
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Can viruses fly? I'm curious how they would disperse farther than the droplets they're in. Are there studies showing they can?
 
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EasternVol said:
Can viruses fly? I'm curious how they would disperse farther than the droplets they're in. Are there studies showing they can?
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Since it can float/live in the air 3 hours just think how easy it would be for it to fly in either one of those four sides open on a paper and cloth mask. Or fly out as someone coughs.
 
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EasternVol said:
Can viruses fly? I'm curious how they would disperse farther than the droplets they're in. Are there studies showing they can?
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EV, have you read any of the numerous studies published from the past 20 years that democrate the ineffectiveness of cloth and surgical masks in limiting flu transmission? That was all common knowledge among medical professionals, hence them not being recommended. . . .until suddenly Fauci and CDC said so. Or, have you examined any of the data showing cases in areas with and without mask mandates, or when they were instituted?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
EV, have you read any of the numerous studies published from the past 20 years that democrate the ineffectiveness of cloth and surgical masks in limiting flu transmission? That was all common knowledge among medical professionals, hence them not being recommended. . . .until suddenly Fauci and CDC said so. Or, have you examined any of the data showing cases in areas with and without mask mandates, or when they were instituted?
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Peru has very strict DOUBLE masking (even outdoors) and vaccine requirements and still has one of the "worst" case rates in the world right now.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
EV, have you read any of the numerous studies published from the past 20 years that democrate the ineffectiveness of cloth and surgical masks in limiting flu transmission? That was all common knowledge among medical professionals, hence them not being recommended. . . .until suddenly Fauci and CDC said so. Or, have you examined any of the data showing cases in areas with and without mask mandates, or when they were instituted?
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Just the one I linked earlier. Mandates are pretty much worldwide so it's not just Fauci and the CDC pushing them. I do not put much faith in Fauci himself.
I had posted about Singapore's low covid rates compared to Tennessee. Any ideas on the cause(s) of the difference?
 
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EasternVol said:
Just the one I linked earlier. Mandates are pretty much worldwide so it's not just Fauci and the CDC pushing them. I do not put much faith in Fauci himself.
I had posted about Singapore's low covid rates compared to Tennessee. Any ideas on the cause(s) of the difference?
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Fauci is in with the UN and WHO. But here's your answer about droplets.

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EasternVol said:
Just the one I linked earlier. Mandates are pretty much worldwide so it's not just Fauci and the CDC pushing them. I do not put much faith in Fauci himself.
I had posted about Singapore's low covid rates compared to Tennessee. Any ideas on the cause(s) of the difference?
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I'm not sure that Singapore is a good comparison for any developed country.

Without being an ass, do you find it odd that local school systems with and without masks, and counties in TN last year with and without masks, showed no difference in cases, and in some instances fared worse when masks were mandated?

Is all the science prior to March 2020 wrong?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I'm not sure that Singapore is a good comparison for any developed country.

Without being an ass, do you find it odd that local school systems with and without masks, and counties in TN last year with and without masks, showed no difference in cases, and in some instances fared worse when masks were mandated?

Is all the science prior to March 2020 wrong?
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It's a very developed country. It's got the most strict and strictly enforced mandates I know of, and their data is generally very accurate. So to me it's a good point of comparison with the US.
I don't take what you write as being an ass. Yes I do find it odd. But I don't know how well the mandates were followed. edit: or what other factors may have been in play.
 
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EasternVol said:
It's a very developed country. It's got the most strict and strictly enforced mandates I know of, and their data is generally very accurate. So to me it's a good point of comparison with the US.
I don't take what you write as being an ass. Yes I do find it odd. But I don't know how well the mandates were followed. edit: or what other factors may have been in play.
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Sorry, "developed" wasn't a good descriptor for me to use. It's a tiny south Asian country with a population smaller than Tennessee. Hard to really draw meaningful conclusions. In addition, without researching, I'm going to guess that their demographics are vastly different from ours, especially with regards to obesity, diet, etc.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Do you know what an aerosol is?

Aerosol - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics
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Yes I am aware of what an aerosol is. Per the following from the WHO, aerosols can occur when droplets evaporate, I take that and similar articles to mean that when an infected person exhales, sneezes, etc. the virus is attached to a droplet. Can an infected person emit just a virus not attached to anything?
Transmission of SARS-CoV-2: implications for infection prevention precautions
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Sorry, "developed" wasn't a good descriptor for me to use. It's a tiny south Asian country with a population smaller than Tennessee. Hard to really draw meaningful conclusions. In addition, without researching, I'm going to guess that their demographics are vastly different from ours, especially with regards to obesity, diet, etc.
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They are in general healthier, thinner and in better shape than Americans. But I doubt by a factor of 4. Wouldn't that more affect mortality and hospitalization rates though?
Their population is in an area smaller than Knox County which would seem to make for higher infection rates.
 
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EasternVol said:
Yes I am aware of what an aerosol is. Per the following from the WHO, aerosols can occur when droplets evaporate, I take that and similar articles to mean that when an infected person exhales, sneezes, etc. the virus is attached to a droplet. Can an infected person emit just a virus not attached to anything?
Transmission of SARS-CoV-2: implications for infection prevention precautions
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Yes they can. That’s the whole point of stating aerosol separate from droplet. Again this particle is 100x smaller than your mask study example particle. They can’t image these particles with a normal lens of a high speed camera, it takes high powered microscopes. A scanning electron microscope has a resolution around 0.001 micron so that is the kind of imaging it takes to detect the particle. All that silly study did was look at a snot cloud that has no relevant bearing on an aerosol particle 100x smaller than their example test snot droplet. Thus the case where you have asymptomatic people wandering around and putting the virus airborne floating around few a few hours.
 
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