Vaccine or not?

[EasternVol]

So you are using an example country which has chosen to dramatically limit civil liberties and seem to be saying “why can’t we do that?”. You realize to many of us it looks like you’re advocating for the reduction of civil liberties on the basis I’m guessing is “for the greater good”?

My point is that infection rates are very different and on the surface at least it seems to be because their mandates and adherence to those mandates. It goes back to the question of whether masks, etc, are effective.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Peru is Level 4 too. Fantastic!

LMAO you’re probably better off there than here

 

[NorthDallas40]

My point is that infection rates are very different and on the surface at least it seems to be because their mandates and adherence to those mandates. It goes back to the question of whether masks, etc, are effective.

Scroll up two posts. It would appear the utopia you are offering up was just late to the party?

 

[ButchPlz]

LMAO you’re probably better off there than here

I know I am- there aren't any empty shelves here.

 

[EasternVol]

Hang on. Why are we talking about Singapore and holding them up as a standard again?

Singapore Travel Advisory

Do Not Travel to Singapore due to COVID-19.

Read the Department of State’s COVID-19page before you plan any international travel.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued a Level 4 Travel Health Notice for Singapore due to COVID-19

Narrator: Level 4 is the highest rate of infection category.

And yet their infection rate since the start of the bug is 25% of Tennessee's.

 

[LouderVol]

So far there's nothing to indicate the jab is worse than the virus.

That's not the point. You dont top down mandate something just because it's not as bad as the alternative.

 

[Jxn Vol]

My liberties don’t stop where your fear starts.

 

[newyorkvol]

That's not the point. You dont top down mandate something just because it's not as bad as the alternative.

I’m finding myself more heavily leaning to the school of thought that mandates are just cover for politicians and public health officials. They know they don’t work. But at least they’re trying something/anything to help their constituents. And when the mandates are shown not to work, then it must be because the constituents weren’t compliant.

 

[DonjoVol]

My point is that infection rates are very different and on the surface at least it seems to be because their mandates and adherence to those mandates. It goes back to the question of whether masks, etc, are effective.

I think it's pretty simple. Masks, mandates and lockdowns aren't effective.

 

[NorthDallas40]

And yet their infection rate since the start of the bug is 25% of Tennessee's.

So is being in the highest category of infection rate a bad thing or not? Again you appear to be trying to convince people that giving up their civil liberties “for the greater good” is a good thing yet we are telling our citizens to avoid going there. Are we telling our citizens to stay out of TN? Well other than the obvious New Yorkers and Californians anyway.

 

[EasternVol]

I think it's pretty simple. Masks, mandates and lockdowns aren't effective.

So how is the very different infection rate explained?

 

[EasternVol]

So is being in the highest category of infection rate a bad thing or not? Again you appear to be trying to convince people that giving up their civil liberties “for the greater good” is a good thing yet we are telling our citizens to avoid going there. Are we telling our citizens to stay out of TN? Well other than the obvious New Yorkers and Californians anyway.

It's not a good thing for sure. But over time their infection rate is about 1/4 of Tennessee's. One difference is their and Tennessee's mandates and adherence. What else would lead to the difference?

 

[825VOL]

So how is the very different infection rate explained?

Try this.

Ranking (% obesity by country) | World Obesity Federation Global Obesity Observatory

U.S. #14 Singapore #147

 

[EasternVol]

Try this.

Ranking (% obesity by country) | World Obesity Federation Global Obesity Observatory

U.S. #14 Singapore #147

That may help explain the huge difference in death rate. But infection rate?
Wow, that's some list; the South Pacific and then us.

 

[825VOL]

That may help explain the huge difference in death rate. But infection rate?
Wow, that's some list; the South Pacific and then us.

Most likely if you are healthy to begin with, you may get infected and not even know it or bother to get tested. When you are in poor health to begin with, you get sick easier and thus are tested more.

 

[Jxn Vol]

That may help explain the huge difference in death rate. But infection rate?
Wow, that's some list; the South Pacific and then us.

Maybe fat people feel worse and get tested more causing more positive results.

Maybe the PCR tests are inaccurate. I’ve seen accuracy rates as low as 60%.

Maybe whoever is compiling the data, CDC, is a gaggle of idiots.

Maybe if whoever is concerned with TN infection rates for a virus with 99% survivability should move to Singapore.

 

[Vol8188]

My point is that infection rates are very different and on the surface at least it seems to be because their mandates and adherence to those mandates. It goes back to the question of whether masks, etc, are effective.

Surely you're not convinced we have one of the worst COVID infection rates are you?

 

[Vol8188]

My point is that infection rates are very different and on the surface at least it seems to be because their mandates and adherence to those mandates. It goes back to the question of whether masks, etc, are effective.

It seems to be the complete opposite. Where are you getting this idea from? What's your example?

 

[volfanhill]

That may help explain the huge difference in death rate. But infection rate?
Wow, that's some list; the South Pacific and then us.

We have testing sites on every corner. I suspect the last thing I would want is the government in Singapore to know I was sick. I would avoid being tested at all costs unless I needed hospitalization.

 

[kiddiedoc]

So how is the very different infection rate explained?

Maybe Singapore doesn't test every person in the country 17 times. I have friends who work in nursing homes that are still getting tested every single week.

Also, from what I understand about the government there, I'm not letting anyone I know that I have CV19 unless I think I might be dying

@volfanhill Just saw your above post... Same thoughts

 

[Jxn Vol]

I think we have put the Singapore issue to bed. On to the next issue I guess.

 

[BP4Prez]

Maybe Singapore doesn't test every person in the country 17 times. I have friends who work in nursing homes that are still getting tested every single week.

Also, from what I understand about the government there, I'm not letting anyone I know that I have CV19 unless I think I might be dying

@volfanhill Just saw your above post... Same thoughts

My wife is tested twice a week (recently tested positive so doesn’t have to test for so many days now, though). Works in nursing home.

 

[ButchPlz]

Weird.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It's not a good thing for sure. But over time their infection rate is about 1/4 of Tennessee's. One difference is their and Tennessee's mandates and adherence. What else would lead to the difference?

I’d submit there is plenty of information within our country alone that show mandates haven’t had a significant impact in the end. There might be some delay factor but in the end the results are the same. We have NY, CA, TX, and FL that has plenty of common populations and varying degrees of restrictions to show in the end they provided no benefit.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I’d submit there is plenty of information within our country alone that show mandates haven’t had a significant impact in the end. There might be some delay factor but in the end the results are the same. We have NY, CA, TX, and CA that has plenty of common populations and varying degrees of restrictions to show in the end they provided no benefit.

But what about Singapore? You can’t ignore Singapore. When I want to compare my kids unmasked private school versus masked public schools I always think to myself, what about Singapore.