Vaccine or not?

[NorthDallas40]

I said, not admit, that it was a generalization, It was not a stupid generalization. It's best to chill and discuss like adults.

Then be receptive to inputs that don’t agree with your preconceived notions. You’re the latest Johnny come lately blowing through spouting the same worn out stuff we’ve been hearing for two years now.

 

[EasternVol]

Then be receptive to inputs that don’t agree with your preconceived notions. You’re the latest Johnny come lately blowing through spouting the same worn out stuff we’ve been hearing for two years now.

I am receptive to new information. I am not receptive to jackasses calling other people stupid for voicing their views.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I am receptive to new information. I am not receptive to jackasses calling other people stupid for voicing their views.

Look you came in loaded for bear a little over a week ago spouting off the same misinformation.

Yes the particle can exist outside of a water droplet. Yes it can be suspended free in the air for hours. This is why they use the term aerosol instead of just water droplets.

Nobody and I mean nobody has imaged the particle directly in some kind of an exhaled pattern. The required imaging resolution simply is not there. I’ve attacked that high speed camera study about five times at least since 2020 it just isn’t supported by the physics of diffraction limited optical imagers.

 

[EasternVol]

Look you came in loaded for bear a little over a week ago spouting off the same misinformation.

Yes the particle can exist outside of a water droplet. Yes it can be suspended free in the air for hours. This is why they use the term aerosol instead of just water droplets.

Nobody and I mean nobody has imaged the particle directly in some kind of an exhaled pattern. The required imaging resolution simply is not there. I’ve attacked that high speed camera study about five times at least since 2020 it just isn’t supported by the physics of diffraction limited optical imagers.

I'll look into that, thank you,

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'll look into that, thank you,

You’re welcome. I work in optics for a living you can take that post at face value or not. I literally laughed out loud the first time I read that study around two years ago.

Have a good evening EV

 

[DonjoVol]

It's a very developed country. It's got the most strict and strictly enforced mandates I know of, and their data is generally very accurate. So to me it's a good point of comparison with the US.
I don't take what you write as being an ass. Yes I do find it odd. But I don't know how well the mandates were followed. edit: or what other factors may have been in play.

Why are you brining up Singapore? They have had their largest spike in cases recently. Almost 85% of the country is fully vaccinated.

Compare that Bulgaria which is less than 30% fully vaccinated and Albania which is around 40% fully vaccinated yet both countries also had their largest spike in cases but are now starting to decline. Austria and Germany have also had their largest spike in new cases and are almost 80% fully vaccinated.

 

[Vol8188]

Is it happening because of the vaccine or because they had covid? Studies have shown myocarditis can come from either one.

Also 4-5 times more likely in boosted people than from covid

 

[EasternVol]

Why are you brining up Singapore? They have had their largest spike in cases recently. Almost 85% of the country is fully vaccinated.

Compare that Bulgaria which is less than 30% fully vaccinated and Albania which is around 40% fully vaccinated yet both countries also had their largest spike in cases but are now starting to decline. Austria and Germany have also had their largest spike in new cases and are almost 80% fully vaccinated.

Because I know how tightly they enforce their mandates. They were pretty late to start vaccinating but started the mask and distancing mandates early, so their initial low infection rates look to be tied to the mandates, Their cases have spiked but their numbers are still better than the US.
I'll try to look at data for the countries you mentioned, thanks,

 

[DonjoVol]

Because I know how tightly they enforce their mandates. They were pretty late to start vaccinating but started the mask and distancing mandates early, so their initial low infection rates look to be tied to the mandates, Their cases have spiked but their numbers are still better than the US.
I'll try to look at data for the countries you mentioned, thanks,

They are a much smaller country so of course they are going to have a much lower number of actual cases.

How would explain the large spike in cases recently even though the country is one of the highest vaccinated percentage wise?

 

[ButchPlz]

And why focus just on Singapore? Israel has strict measures. Peru, and many South American countries have very strict measures. Using one data point alone as a tell-all reference is ignorant at best and a deliberate effort to mislead at worst.

 

[davethevol]

Just the one I linked earlier. Mandates are pretty much worldwide so it's not just Fauci and the CDC pushing them. I do not put much faith in Fauci himself.
I had posted about Singapore's low covid rates compared to Tennessee. Any ideas on the cause(s) of the difference?

I have a hunch that Singapore’s low rates have much to do with their incredibly strict quarantine process. I knew of a FedEx pilot that broke protocol after flying into their country and he spent months in jail.

 

[EasternVol]

They are a much smaller country so of course they are going to have a much lower number of actual cases.

How would explain the large spike in cases recently even though the country is one of the highest vaccinated percentage wise?

I was looking at the infection rate, but their population is not so much less than Tennessee's. I haven't looked into the recent spike. It looks like about everywhere has that with Omicron.

 

[EasternVol]

And why focus just on Singapore? Israel has strict measures. Peru, and many South American countries have very strict measures. Using one data point alone as a tell-all reference is ignorant at best and a deliberate effort to mislead at worst.

For comparison, and because I know for a fact their mandates are very strictly enforced. I don't know so much about other countries' mandates.

 

[headhunter15]

I got the Moderna vaccine in June and July of 2021. I’m 30 years old and relatively healthy. Took it because my dad and grandmother are both in frail health. Just my personal decision.
I just caught Covid on Sunday and outside of a bad headache, the rest feels like a normal cold.

If you were hesitant when this thread started in March, have you gotten it since?

 

[ButchPlz]

For comparison, and because I know for a fact their mandates are very strictly enforced. I don't know so much about other countries' mandates.

So you're making broad assumptions based on one anecdote?

 

[EasternVol]

And why focus just on Singapore? Israel has strict measures. Peru, and many South American countries have very strict measures. Using one data point alone as a tell-all reference is ignorant at best and a deliberate effort to mislead at worst.

For comparison, and because I know for a fact their mandates are very strictly enforced. I don't know so much about other countries' mandates.

I have a hunch that Singapore’s low rates have much to do with their incredibly strict quarantine process. I knew of a FedEx pilot that broke protocol after flying into their country and he spent months in jail.

Yeah they don't mess around. I guess he will not be going back at least for a few years.
The quarantine is indeed tight but covid was in the general population in early 2020. They got it under control fairly quickly and then kept the rates low until the recent spike. They did have a problem in worker dormitories but eventually got that sussed too.

 

[EasternVol]

So you're making broad assumptions based on one anecdote?

It's not an anecdote.

 

[ButchPlz]

It's not an anecdote.

It's a single country compared to a single state in the entire world. What else is that?

If nothing else you're easily guilty of ignorance since you only know those two areas.

 

[newyorkvol]

I was looking at the infection rate, but their population is not so much less than Tennessee's. I haven't looked into the recent spike. It looks like about everywhere has that with Omicron.

Honestly, I think it has more to do with “you can run but you can’t hide.” Meaning, island nations have had the advantage of being able to strictly enforce lockdowns, quarantines and mandates. New Zealand has done this as well. Australia has tried, but I think that just the increase in population size restricted their efforts. Fortunately for these places, they have been able to weather the storm of more virulent strains that were circulating without vaccines or treatments. They will likely still ultimately see increases in “cases” assuming testing routines stay the same. But will likely never see the corresponding increase in deaths. They took “two weeks to flatten the curve” and used their geography and two years to protect their citizens. Even if everyone in the US agreed, there would’ve been no way to replicate the situation they have.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I have a hunch that Singapore’s low rates have much to do with their incredibly strict quarantine process. I knew of a FedEx pilot that broke protocol after flying into their country and he spent months in jail.

Why would anyone do something like that in Singapore of all places?

 

[EasternVol]

It's a single country compared to a single state in the entire world. What else is that?
If nothing else you're easily guilty of ignorance since you only know those two areas.

You may want to look it up in a dictionary.
I mention it for comparison. Similar populations, developed countries, main difference seems to be the mandates and how closely they are followed. Why are the infection rates so different? If the rates are not different because of mandate application, why are they so different?
I plead guilty to that ignorance, Of how many countries do you have first hand knowledge of how they manage covid? For me it's been difficult to travel much in the last couple of years.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You may want to look it up in a dictionary.
I mention it for comparison. Similar populations, developed countries, main difference seems to be the mandates and how closely they are followed. Why are the infection rates so different? If the rates are not different because of mandate application, why are they so different?
I plead guilty to that ignorance, Of how many countries do you have first hand knowledge of how they manage covid? For me it's been difficult to travel much in the last couple of years.

So you are using an example country which has chosen to dramatically limit civil liberties and seem to be saying “why can’t we do that?”. You realize to many of us it looks like you’re advocating for the reduction of civil liberties on the basis I’m guessing is “for the greater good”?

 

[ButchPlz]

You may want to look it up in a dictionary.
I mention it for comparison. Similar populations, developed countries, main difference seems to be the mandates and how closely they are followed. Why are the infection rates so different? If the rates are not different because of mandate application, why are they so different?
I plead guilty to that ignorance, Of how many countries do you have first hand knowledge of how they manage covid? For me it's been difficult to travel much in the last couple of years.

Several, and travel is not that difficult. I'm in Peru right now, where double-masking is strictly enforced by police and local serenazgo (security) in all public places. I have also traveled to the Caribbean and to "locked down" states. I have direct contacts in Japan, Canada, India, Spain, Mexico, and west-coast states with strict lockdowns that share directly with me what's going on. My very job is to review case hotspots to allocate resources to medical systems around the country. On a broad scale there is no difference in strict locations and those with less restrictions.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Hang on. Why are we talking about Singapore and holding them up as a standard again?

Singapore Travel Advisory

Do Not Travel to Singapore due to COVID-19.

Read the Department of State’s COVID-19page before you plan any international travel.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued a Level 4 Travel Health Notice for Singapore due to COVID-19

Narrator: Level 4 is the highest rate of infection category.

 

[ButchPlz]

Hang on. Why are we talking about Singapore and holding them up as a standard again?

Singapore Travel Advisory

Do Not Travel to Singapore due to COVID-19.

Read the Department of State’s COVID-19page before you plan any international travel.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued a Level 4 Travel Health Notice for Singapore due to COVID-19

Narrator: Level 4 is the highest rate of infection category.

Peru is Level 4 too. Fantastic!