Vaccine or not?

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newyorkvol said:
I’m finding myself more heavily leaning to the school of thought that mandates are just cover for politicians and public health officials. They know they don’t work. But at least they’re trying something/anything to help their constituents. And when the mandates are shown not to work, then it must be because the constituents weren’t compliant.
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Its 100% a power play.

It's the typical play.

Create a problem (fear monger). Create a solution you know doesnt work (mandates). When solution doesnt work, just say it's because you didnt have enough power and that you need more (further mandates).

The fact that nothing beyond vaccines is being pushed brings the lie to any argument this is about safety.

It would be one thing if the government was throwing the kitchen sink at Covid, all the pushers were following their own mandates, and they admitted they didnt have perfect solutions. But they arent. They went straight for the laziest "solution" that was improbable from the start, and have refused to back down from their own mistakes.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Could just be a meme someone shared. I have no idea. EDIT: California High School Barricades Maskless Children in Gym, Staffer Turns Down Thermostat to "Freeze Them Out"
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Thanks for finding it.

That photo is strange. The tables are on the inside of the gym? How did they place them and shut the doors behind? And unless they chained the other side of the doors, those double doors swing out of the gym, and cant really be locked. Which I guess they could have done the tables from the backside and shut the doors, but it doesnt appear to actually impede egress, because the students have open access to the tables.
 
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volfanhill said:
We have testing sites on every corner. I suspect the last thing I would want is the government in Singapore to know I was sick. I would avoid being tested at all costs unless I needed hospitalization.
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Why would you not want the government there to not know you're sick? There's a self isolation period but otherwise no penalty.
 
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EasternVol said:
Why would you not want the government there to not know you're sick? There's a self isolation period but otherwise no penalty.
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My favorite is when they know you were sick, then treat you like you didn't recover.

Why would anyone want the government involved in their private health matters?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Maybe Singapore doesn't test every person in the country 17 times. I have friends who work in nursing homes that are still getting tested every single week.

Also, from what I understand about the government there, I'm not letting anyone I know that I have CV19 unless I think I might be dying

@volfanhill Just saw your above post... Same thoughts
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There may be a difference in testing rates although they emphasize testing too. But there's no penalty for a positive test other than a quarantine period.
 
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EasternVol said:
There may be a difference in testing rates although they emphasize testing too. But there's no penalty for a positive test other than a quarantine period.
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If governments' responses to this pandemic worldwide have taught me anything, it's that I'd prefer they know as little about my state of health as possible.

They suck at the jobs they have already, why add "keep track of everyone's medical condition" to the list?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Seems you're cherry picking. What if looked at European countries with strict standards compared to the US with obviously more laxed standards?
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Standards / measures are one thing and adherence to the standards are another. How well do the European countries adhere to their standards? From what I understand, more than the US but still not so much. Singapore's an example with known adherence so it should make for a valid comparison.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
If governments' responses to this pandemic worldwide have taught me anything, it's that I'd prefer they know as little about my state of health as possible.

They suck at the jobs they have already, why add "keep track of everyone's medical condition" to the list?
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Eh, to isolate active cases to prevent spread?
 
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EasternVol said:
Eh, to isolate active cases to prevent spread?
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People aren't capable of staying home on their own when they are sick? You think the government should have the power to forcibly detain a person when they have a virus? Be careful how you answer...

Also, is it 24 days? Or 14? Or 10? Or is it 5 now? Are they compensating all the people who lost 3.5 weeks of work and school since they were so damn wrong with the earlier "guidelines?" This is the monkey business you get when the gov gets into stuff it has no business being in.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
People aren't capable of staying home on their own when they are sick? You think the government should have the power to forcibly detain a person when they have a virus? Be careful how you answer...

Also, is it 24 days? Or 14? Or 10? Or is it 5 now? Are they compensating all the people who lost 3.5 weeks of work and school since they were so damn wrong with the earlier "guidelines?" This is the monkey business you get when the gov gets into stuff it has no business being in.
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People won't know if they have covid or something else without a test, so getting a test and it being negative mean no need to self isolate. By detain do you mean in a person's residence or a government facility? Singapore's self-isolation for positive tests is at the person's residence. I think the isolation period is one or two weeks. compensation for pay and all that is for SIngaporeans to work out since it's their country. My main question in all this is whether their lower infection rates are a result of their mandates or possibly something else.
 
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EasternVol said:
People won't know if they have covid or something else without a test, so getting a test and it being negative mean no need to self isolate. By detain do you mean in a person's residence or a government facility? Singapore's self-isolation for positive tests is at the person's residence. I think the isolation period is one or two weeks. compensation for pay and all that is for SIngaporeans to work out since it's their country. My main question in all this is whether their lower infection rates are a result of their mandates or possibly something else.
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Maybe we should ban gum and start caning people too.
 
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