Vaccine or not?

[SpaceCoastVol]

Oz is still in full retard mode.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I don't blame you and I'm not going to take another one. China has locked down Shanghai, a city of 12 million over a covid outbreak because they had 130k positive tests and 0 yes 0 deaths.

Humanity needs to set up a guillotine and start chopping heads. Start with Fauci.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

"It's a Crime, What's Happened to Us" - The Vaccine Injured Share Their Stories

"My voice may be small, it may be one of few in the room, but it needs to be heard."



"It's a Crime, What's Happened to Us" - The Vaccine Injured Share Their Stories

Meh. It's all anecdote.... the shots worked. Saved millions of lives. And Fauci says masks don't work... wait... they work.... ummm no they don't... get your shots. And ALL your boosters. For something that has mutated to a head cold.

This is the biggest con job ever perpetrated on humanity.

 

[kiddiedoc]

You need to ask the hospitals that, but while you want to blame the hospital, I blame the father. It's his son he's willing to let die over a freaking vaccine.

Not a vaccine

 

[LouderVol]

Guy is an azzhole but so is the hospital administration.

In this case the dad is the bigger ahole.

 

[hog88]

In this case the dad is the bigger ahole.

Just by a smidge. It's stupid of the hospital to refuse the surgery since the kidney is coming from the dad. Nobody else is getting that kidney.

 

[DC_Vol]

So there's a man in Ohio who has a 9 year old son who has been a patient with Cleveland Clinic (one of the best hospitals in the country and importantly for this post, it is a privately owned hospital) since birth due to multiple issues. Kid has had a really tough life and now has only 20% function of his one kidney.

Seems his father is a perfect match but won't get the vax. He posts all over Facebook and Twitter about being anti-vax as is his wife. Cleveland Clinic says no vax, no transplant here.

If one of my kids was going to be run over I would gladly take the hit instead, as probably 99% of the people posting here, liberal or conservative, would do. Much less get a shot. If it meant my child's life, I'd take a lethal injection. This guy evidently doesn't feel that way. Maybe he thinks his life is more important than that of his son. In my book, he's scum.

Instead he likes to rant about the hospital violating his 1st Amendment rights. For the last time everyone, a private business or person cannot violate the 1st Amendment, that is state actions only and Cleveland Clinic is not a governmental entity.

If that were my child, I would have had the shot and already be walking around missing a kidney. Not sure what the dad’s game plan is here, but he needs find some resolution soon that ends with his kidney in his child.

With that our of the way, this is a taste of what is to come. Think broader than a shot. It is going to a mix of government driven initiatives that will be forced on the public by businesses. It’s a dangerous combo, and it’s coming faster than you think.

I woiuld wager the $140M of NIH funds has everything to do with why Cleveland Clinic has this absurd requirement.

 

[Jxn Vol]

It seems to me that the surgeons that took an oath to do no harm are sitting idly by and letting that healthcare system do just that.

It is not a vaccine. It is a therapeutic shot. And guess what, the FDA approved version is still not available here.

The hospital should be ashamed.

 

[LouderVol]

Just by a smidge. It's stupid of the hospital to refuse the surgery since the kidney is coming from the dad. Nobody else is getting that kidney.

oh I agree. But they are a private entity. They can set their own requirements and it's up to the patient to meet it or not.

If it's a life saving measure for my kid, I am joining joedawg and buying lifetime season tickets to UGA football if that's what it takes.

 

[Jxn Vol]

oh I agree. But they are a private entity. They can set their own requirements and it's up to the patient to meet it or not.

If it's a life saving measure for my kid, I am joining joedawg and buying lifetime season tickets to UGA football if that's what it takes.

I disagree to an extent. If their requirements are for something like taking a shot that is only emergency use authorized, the FDA approved version isn’t available, then that goes against basic care. They should “do no harm” and treat the patient. If they don’t I hope karma kicks them in the balls.

 

[LouderVol]

I disagree to an extent. If their requirements are for something like taking a shot that is only emergency use authorized, the FDA approved version isn’t available, then that goes against basic care. They should “do no harm” and treat the patient. If they don’t I hope karma kicks them in the balls.

Usually with transplants there is a whole list of requirements for both donor and recipient. And I would think there is a hospital generated/specific set of health requirements. So it's not like this is the one requirement, and they have never had requirements before, or never had requirements on health. If they believe the vaccine works it's not hypocritical for them to include it in their requirements, imo. Now if they had a public stance against the vaccines, but still required it for transplants that would be different, but I dont think they do.

 

[hog88]

oh I agree. But they are a private entity. They can set their own requirements and it's up to the patient to meet it or not.

If it's a life saving measure for my kid, I am joining joedawg and buying lifetime season tickets to UGA football if that's what it takes.

I agree, I would do the same but the father isn't the only azzhole in this story.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Usually with transplants there is a whole list of requirements for both donor and recipient. And I would think there is a hospital generated/specific set of health requirements. So it's not like this is the one requirement, and they have never had requirements before, or never had requirements on health. If they believe the vaccine works it's not hypocritical for them to include it in their requirements, imo. Now if they had a public stance against the vaccines, but still required it for transplants that would be different, but I dont think they do.

Having a requirement for a shot that isn’t FDA approved is obscene.

 

[joevol33]

oh I agree. But they are a private entity. They can set their own requirements and it's up to the patient to meet it or not.

If it's a life saving measure for my kid, I am joining joedawg and buying lifetime season tickets to UGA football if that's what it takes.

I know u ain't talking bout me!!

 

[LouderVol]

I know u ain't talking bout me!!

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much

 

[joevol33]

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much

 

[85SugarVol]

In this case the dad is the bigger ahole.

People are stupid. Parents are irrational.

It is incumbent upon the medical professionals in this country to act like the adults.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I agree, I would do the same but the father isn't the only azzhole in this story.

Who prompted hospitals to take this stance? That’s what everyone in this scenario and multiple others should be asking. It all comes back to the federal gov. NIH AND CDC “guidance”.
I think I’ve pointed this out before. It doesn’t matter if the father has the shot. If the 9 year old is going too have the transplant he will be given medications that will cause him to suppress his own immunities to prevent rejection. It’s literally a moot point.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Who prompted hospitals to take this stance? That’s what everyone in this scenario and multiple others should be asking. It all comes back to the federal gov. NIH AND CDC “guidance”.
I think I’ve pointed this out before. It doesn’t matter if the father has the shot. If the 9 year old is going too have the transplant he will be given medications that will cause him to suppress his own immunities to prevent rejection. It’s literally a moot point.

Get the government as far away from healthcare as possible. Government screws everything up.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Get the government as far away from healthcare as possible. Government screws everything up.

They are doing the exact opposite of their jobs under the guise of public safety.

 

[T Clifton]

 

[ButchPlz]

To answer the OP here several hundred pages in-

Still no.

 

[WBO]

I disagree to an extent. If their requirements are for something like taking a shot that is only emergency use authorized, the FDA approved version isn’t available, then that goes against basic care. They should “do no harm” and treat the patient. If they don’t I hope karma kicks them in the balls.

Does anyone even remotely think about the surgical team? Don't be stupid and point out they have masks, it would be inadvertent exposure to bodily fluids, like surgeon nicking the hand of an assistant.

So someone is supposed to risk that, instead of him taking a vaccine? You guys sure are cavalier with risks to other people.

 

[0nelilreb]

Does anyone even remotely think about the surgical team? Don't be stupid and point out they have masks, it would be inadvertent exposure to bodily fluids, like surgeon nicking the hand of an assistant.

So someone is supposed to risk that, instead of him taking a vaccine? You guys sure are cavalier with risks to other people.

Does the vaccine prevent passing Covid to others ?

 

[hog88]

Does anyone even remotely think about the surgical team? Don't be stupid and point out they have masks, it would be inadvertent exposure to bodily fluids, like surgeon nicking the hand of an assistant.

So someone is supposed to risk that, instead of him taking a vaccine? You guys sure are cavalier with risks to other people.

Do surgeons routinely refuse to operate on people with HIV, hepatitis or other diseases?