Vaccine or not?

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willidan said:
Wait you’re actually saying children don’t die or have major complications from covid or are you stating that the rates of severe disease and death is low?

You stated that kids don’t have major complications from covid but now are admitting you’ve heard of a kid that died from it. Which is it doctor?
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It's obvious that you are intentionally misrepresenting what I've said, and everyone else sees it, as well. That's why we are all laughing at you.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
It's obvious that you are intentionally misrepresenting what I've said, and everyone else sees it, as well. That's why we are all laughing at you.
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You are laughing why? What did I misrepresent?

“Children are not at serious risk from CV19.”

That is your direct quote.

I’ve never said mortality was common in children with CV19 but you quote is demonstrably false. In fact, as has been posted before but never gets comment, complications and morbidity of CV19 are significantly more common no matter what age group you look at than complications from CV immunization. That fact doesn’t fit the narrative thought does it?

l’ve taken care of children who’ve been very sick, some requiring ECMO, and some that have died. Laugh away Doc.
 
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willidan said:
“Children are not at serious risk from CV19.”

Children do get seriously ill with CV19. Children have died from CV19. Children have become seriously ill and died from MISC post CV19. I am also a physician and have cared for these children.

Either you are a misinformed physician or purposely understating the impact of the disease to advance your ideology.
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Is the common cold a serious risk for children?

Who is playing absolutes now?

I cut my finger. It COULD kill me, is it a serious threat?
 
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willidan said:
You are laughing why? What did I misrepresent?

“Children are not at serious risk from CV19.”

That is your direct quote.

I’ve never said mortality was common in children with CV19 but you quote is demonstrably false. In fact, as has been posted before but never gets comment, complications and morbidity of CV19 are significantly more common no matter what age group you look at than complications from CV immunization. That fact doesn’t fit the narrative thought does it?

l’ve taken care of children who’ve been very sick, some requiring ECMO, and some that have died. Laugh away Doc.
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Every virus, bacteria, fungus, food, activity, environmental factor, and mental strain has some inherent risk.

Statistically speaking, riding in an automobile or being around water are more dangerous to a child than CV19 infection. Assuming that 40% of CV diagnoses are actually secondary (not the cause of admission or death, a figure widely reported and accepted in the medical community), the yearly risk for a child dying from CV19 is around 0.3 per 100,000. Keep in mind that almost all of those deaths have been in kids with significant underlying conditions.

I implore you to do a little research and let us know what the risk per 100,000 is for suicide and drug overdose (both of which have been significantly increased due to pandemic response). Now do firearms, drowning, car accidents, and (gasp) lightning strikes.

Any child dying is a tragedy. Death is the only thing certain for us. However, singularly throwing out that a very small number of children have perished or suffered from long- term complications IN NO WAY justifies the greater harm we have caused by our unscientific and unprecedented restrictions.

Two final notes:

I've lost one kid to a virus in 10 years. RSV.

The most fragile patient in our entire practice survived CV19 with no complications.
 
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OHvol40 said:
It was almost exclusively the unvaccinated dying, especially from the Delta variant. We had enough unvaccinated at the time that more variants popped up quickly and now you’re pointing at the vaccine as ineffective, as if it’s proof of something. The only thing it proves is that if enough of the population isn’t inoculated against a novel respiratory virus that it’s going to mutate too fast to keep up with, in terms of vaccination.
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Bump for @OHvol40

Sure sounds like you are implying that there wouldnt be variants outside the coverage of vaccines if everyone was vaxxed.
 
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LouderVol said:
Bump for @OHvol40

Sure sounds like you are implying that there wouldnt be variants outside the coverage of vaccines if everyone was vaxxed.
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It is actually plausible to consider that "vaccination" with a narrow-target mRNA shot might create an evolutionary pressure towards mutation in the spike protein and, hence, new variants.

If the shot worked like traditional vaccines, leading to durable immunity from infection and transmission, this would obviously not be the case.
 
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LouderVol said:
Bump for @OHvol40

Sure sounds like you are implying that there wouldnt be variants outside the coverage of vaccines if everyone was vaxxed.
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I think this is a good opportunity educational experience. I’m purposely very careful with my words. If you notice, I very rarely speak in absolutes. Also, I never said the vaccine wouldn’t lead to no variants. As a matter of fact, I used to word “inoculated.” So, no matter what it sounds like to you, there is no world in which I said what you’re trying to pin on me.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I think this is a good opportunity educational experience. I’m purposely very careful with my words. If you notice, I very rarely speak in absolutes. Also, I never said the vaccine wouldn’t lead to no variants. As a matter of fact, I used to word “inoculated.” So, no matter what it sounds like to you, there is no world in which I said what you’re trying to pin on me.
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Claims a chance to educate, fails to educate.

How would you describe what you are trying to say in that quoted message then?

Also curious on your semantics of inoculated. It seems like you are using it to differentiate from vaccinated. It sounds like you are trying to legalese your way into saying the Covid vax doesnt count as a vax in your argument. If that's the case I am closer to agreeing with you but you are going a round about way to getting there imo.
 
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