Vaccine or not?

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hog88 said:
DeSantis could have vetoed it, it would have been the right thing to do.
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Now you have me confused. You said this earlier:

hog88 said:
DeSantis could have simply come out and declared the federal vax mandate was null and void in the state of FL and left it up to the employees and employers to decide on their own.
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So DeSantis taking this action, which would have bypassed the state legislature is ok, but a decision and law made by the state legislature and signed by the governor is inappropriate?
 
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hog88 said:
I get why people support these actions, they believe DeSantis and other governors who did the same are protecting them. What they fail to understand is just like the TX abortion law, another state or a change in the governor/legislature of their state could (probably will) lead to the precedent being used for something they absolutely oppose.
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I understand your concerns. But again, this was an extreme and unique situation. And to be clear, bad legislation and/or executive orders occur all the time (far too often). But this is one of the rare times it actually fell in the favor of individual liberty.
 
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hog88 said:
None, they can quit at anytime without notice and there is nothing the employer can do.
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Well of course that can happen. But while they are employed there, they still have certain requirements or job duties.

Getting an unproven, experimental jab mandated on you out of nowhere is unreasonable, however.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Now you have me confused. You said this earlier:


So DeSantis taking this action, which would have bypassed the state legislature is ok, but a decision and law made by the state legislature and signed by the governor is inappropriate?
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How does that confuse you? DeSantis should have vetoed the legislation because it was bad legislation then issued an EO forbidding any state agency in assisting or enforcing the fed vax mandate.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I understand your concerns. But again, this was an extreme and unique situation. And to be clear, bad legislation and/or executive orders occur all the time (far too often). But this is one of the rare times it actually fell in the favor of individual liberty.
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No it didn't, it trampled on them just like the fed mandate did.
 
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hog88 said:
No he didn't. He could have easily just issued an EO stating the federal vax mandates would not be enforced in his state, it would have the same effect without trampling the rights of business owners.
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Collateral damage.

I don't know what else to tell you. It all started with a bad executive order by the POTUS. DeSantis countered. Your outrage should be more heavily concentrated at Biden. Again, there are not many remedies available that would have been nice and neat to overcome what Biden did.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well of course that can happen. But while they are employed there, they still have certain requirements or job duties.

Getting an unproven, experimental jab mandated on you out of nowhere is unreasonable, however.
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I agree that the covid vax mandates were unreasonable, I have also heard of people that have been called back into the office after working from home for over a year calling that unreasonable. Should DeSantis step in?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Collateral damage.

I don't know what else to tell you. It all started with a bad executive order by the POTUS. DeSantis countered. Your outrage should be more heavily concentrated at Biden. Again, there are not many remedies available that would have been nice and neat to overcome what Biden did.
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My outrage is equal with both on this issue, neither one is in the right.
 
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hog88 said:
They did that anyway with healthcare facilities receiving federal dollars and federal contractors. DeSantis' EO nor the legislation prevented any portion of those mandates from going into effect, it just put the HC employers, federal contractors and their employees in an even worse spot. State law doesn't supersede federal.
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I think you are being unreasonable and expected a perfect resolution to a flawed and horrible problem.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I think you are being unreasonable and expected a perfect resolution to a flawed and horrible problem.
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There was no perfect resolution, the best resolution would have been for the fed and state governments to stay out of employment policies.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
II wouldn't call it tyranny. Biden is the tyrant in this situation... let's not forget that. DeSantis countered with possibly a flawed or imperfect measure.
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When the government takes the right to make decisions away from people it is tyranny.
 
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hog88 said:
There was no perfect resolution, the best resolution would have been for the fed and state governments to stay out of employment policies.
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The state wouldn't have needed to act had it not been for Biden and the Feds. You seem to just brush aside the catalyst and have an unreasonable amount of disdain for DeSantis' actions.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The state wouldn't have needed to act had it not been for Biden and the Feds. You seem to just brush aside the catalyst and have an unreasonable amount of disdain for DeSantis' actions.
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I'm not brushing anything aside, just pointing out that 2 wrongs do not make a right.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm not brushing anything aside, just pointing out that 2 wrongs do not make a right.
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We will just have to disagree on this. They may not have been the best or most desirable decisions made, but the end result was correct. I know that isn't what you want to hear, and it is something that I usually do not agree with (ends justifying the means), but in this rare and unique situation, the rights of 27 million were protected by an imperfect resolution.
 
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hog88 said:
I agree that the covid vax mandates were unreasonable, I have also heard of people that have been called back into the office after working from home for over a year calling that unreasonable. Should DeSantis step in?
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There are degrees to this. No, DeSantis should not step in with regards to working from home. I know... it is hypocritical. I can live with being hypocritical in certain situations. Again, out of 1000 examples you come up with, I will likely agree with you on 990 of them.
 
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