Vaccine or not?

[VolinWayne]

Different fact pattern. In early 2021, the vaccine did largely what it intended by reducing transmission and infections. By summer 2022 with all the variants and mutations of COVID, it does not do what it intended.

If you are screaming from the rooftops that the current vaccine works as intended right now, that would be false information. It's why @mad4vols is quiet, he can't justify it anymore. If you screamed in Spring 2021 that the vaccine in place at that time did not work at all, that would be false information.. Facts change.

So would we be in agreement that there are a lot of politicians and leaders who are pushing false information now when they are still pushing the vaccine (that clearly no longer works). Why do so many feel the need to still say "so glad I'm vaccinated" when they announce they have covid.

Edit. I just saw your above post about Biden spreading false information. Many many others have done the same.

 

[davethevol]

I literally had some nutsos calling my office manager and wanting to speak to "my boss" about getting me shut down or fired because of comments I made regarding children, the virus, and vaccines on a local news channel's Facebook/Twitter. They were a little surprised that the boss was me, LOL.

Was this recent? Probably one of Gloria Johnson’s disciples. They were doing that to quite a few people.

 

[LouderVol]

Fact is nearly 80% of the population has had at least 1 shot. 85% in Canada. Yall still just sound crazy.

Why does mass buy in mean it's safe? We have seen plenty of revisions by countries over several different shots.

The J&J here.
AstraZeneca in the UK.
I forgot which one in Israel
All of the nordic countries no longer allow young men, under 18, to get the shots.

Seems like we are validated more than crazy. Even if all the rest are 100% safe and effective, those examples above are enough to question the official story.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

I’m starting to worry the government might throw vaccinated individuals into camps for their protection.

Oh well.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Given that the vaccine is currently not working as intended, it is reasonable to make a risk/reward analysis based on current facts, your personal health information, and your risk tolerance.

My biggest issue is either side posting blatantly disingenous information, false information, or half truths. I criticized @mad4vols when he did the same thing...

Here are some facts

The virus was 99%survivable
The shot, I won’t call it a vaccine, was rushed to market with no long term safety data.
It will be years before we know any damage it caused.
The shot options then and now EUA not FDA approved.
If you got or want it fine by me. Just don’t try to make me get it.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I respect the civil conversation. I can't say I remember all the stats and timelines perfectly, but there was a lot of outright lies in regards to the effectiveness and intent of the vaccine from the beginning imo.

My favorite was that giving the shot would prevent mutations/new strains. That was ridiculous if you understand anything about respiratory viruses.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Was this recent? Probably one of Gloria Johnson’s disciples. They were doing that to quite a few people.

Nah, long time back. I remember for sure there was a time I went back and forth with WBIR after they ran a story that hospitalizations in children had risen 200% in one week without giving the raw numbers. You can probably figure out where I was going...

 

[Ttucke11]

My favorite was that giving the shot would prevent mutations/new strains. That was ridiculous if you understand anything about respiratory viruses.

Common sense was never involved in any of the decision making.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Listen, why is it so hard for you to understand that MAGAnista purebloods in the deep South were responsible for the South African variant?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

The face value of life insurance policies purchased has increased from 3 trillion in 2019 to almost 3.6 trillion in 2021. I would say that has a lot to do with Payouts going up...

Yes, Payouts have increased from $74B (2019) to $94B in (2021) but writing $250 billion more in New policies between 19 and 20 and over $500 billion between 19 and 21 is a huge driver of that...

Don't feel bad for life insurance companies, they made more money in 2021 than they ever have (by a wide margin)

I have to say that’s one thing that never that’s never crossed my mind is to feel sorry for an insurance company.

 

[joevol33]

It is that high by every tracking number. It still leaves almost 70mil unvaccinated

And the same people "tracking" those numbers, turned around after a year and said, "oops we were wrong, not that many kids died from COVID". The same bunch that lost people their jobs over this crap, are now saying that you don't even have to quarantine. The same bunch that's behind all these numbers, kept us from attending funerals, because of safety, but it was okay when they went. The same bunch that threatened their constituents over this stuff with jail time if they got caught getting their haircut, was caught getting theirs cut. The same bunch that swore we were killing grandma for not being vaccinated, are now trying to get us to get vaccinated, because so many others have? You're welcome to believe what you want, but I don't believe that 80 percent, or 70 is vaccinated in this country. Especially when Democrats voted to not only not test immigrants, but not require them a shot as they crossed the border. I'm not against anyone getting it, but I don't believe almost any of the crap that they say, especially when they come back later admitting they were wrong. People were called conspiracy theorist for talking about the side effects, like menstrual cycles, until the CDC admitted it. Again, you're welcome to believe whatever, but posting numbers by people who have lied this whole time, and used this, isn't going to convince me that 70-80 percent of people here have taken this shot. Call me a conspiracy theorist, or whatever.

 

[Ttucke11]

And the same people "tracking" those numbers, turned around after a year and said, "oops we were wrong, not that many kids died from COVID". The same bunch that lost people their jobs over this crap, are now saying that you don't even have to quarantine. The same bunch that's behind all these numbers, kept us from attending funerals, because of safety, but it was okay when they went. The same bunch that threatened their constituents over this stuff with jail time if they got caught getting their haircut, was caught getting theirs cut. The same bunch that swore we were killing grandma for not being vaccinated, are now trying to get us to get vaccinated, because so many others have? You're welcome to believe what you want, but I don't believe that 80 percent, or 70 is vaccinated in this country. Especially when Democrats voted to not only not test immigrants, but not require them a shot as they crossed the border. I'm not against anyone getting it, but I don't believe almost any of the crap that they say, especially when they come back later admitting they were wrong. People were called conspiracy theorist for talking about the side effects, like menstrual cycles, until the CDC admitted it. Again, you're welcome to believe whatever, but posting numbers by people who have lied this whole time, and used this, isn't going to convince me that 70-80 percent of people here have taken this shot. Call me a conspiracy theorist, or whatever.

Preach brother.

 

[utvolpj]

And the same people "tracking" those numbers, turned around after a year and said, "oops we were wrong, not that many kids died from COVID". The same bunch that lost people their jobs over this crap, are now saying that you don't even have to quarantine. The same bunch that's behind all these numbers, kept us from attending funerals, because of safety, but it was okay when they went. The same bunch that threatened their constituents over this stuff with jail time if they got caught getting their haircut, was caught getting theirs cut. The same bunch that swore we were killing grandma for not being vaccinated, are now trying to get us to get vaccinated, because so many others have? You're welcome to believe what you want, but I don't believe that 80 percent, or 70 is vaccinated in this country. Especially when Democrats voted to not only not test immigrants, but not require them a shot as they crossed the border. I'm not against anyone getting it, but I don't believe almost any of the crap that they say, especially when they come back later admitting they were wrong. People were called conspiracy theorist for talking about the side effects, like menstrual cycles, until the CDC admitted it. Again, you're welcome to believe whatever, but posting numbers by people who have lied this whole time, and used this, isn't going to convince me that 70-80 percent of people here have taken this shot. Call me a conspiracy theorist, or whatever.

What a hodgepodge of nonsense. I don't remember crazy numbers of kids dying being reported and counting shots has zero to do with menstrual cycles. If anything they would want it lower since it approaches the threshold they've set for getting back to normal

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Here are some facts

The virus was 99%survivable
The shot, I won’t call it a vaccine, was rushed to market with no long term safety data.
It will be years before we know any damage it caused.
The shot options then and now EUA not FDA approved.
If you got or want it fine by me. Just don’t try to make me get it.

Just a couple of factual clarifications

The virus wasn't 99% survivable if you were old or had major health issues. It was 99.9% survivable if you were young and healthy. Yes, it averaged to around 99% but there was a huge range of estimated outcomes...

I think Pfizer has been FDA approved for over a year and Moderna for several months. I think the EUA is only in effect for babies.

The vaccine right now still isn't working as intended

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

And the same people "tracking" those numbers, turned around after a year and said, "oops we were wrong, not that many kids died from COVID". The same bunch that lost people their jobs over this crap, are now saying that you don't even have to quarantine. The same bunch that's behind all these numbers, kept us from attending funerals, because of safety, but it was okay when they went. The same bunch that threatened their constituents over this stuff with jail time if they got caught getting their haircut, was caught getting theirs cut. The same bunch that swore we were killing grandma for not being vaccinated, are now trying to get us to get vaccinated, because so many others have? You're welcome to believe what you want, but I don't believe that 80 percent, or 70 is vaccinated in this country. Especially when Democrats voted to not only not test immigrants, but not require them a shot as they crossed the border. I'm not against anyone getting it, but I don't believe almost any of the crap that they say, especially when they come back later admitting they were wrong. People were called conspiracy theorist for talking about the side effects, like menstrual cycles, until the CDC admitted it. Again, you're welcome to believe whatever, but posting numbers by people who have lied this whole time, and used this, isn't going to convince me that 70-80 percent of people here have taken this shot. Call me a conspiracy theorist, or whatever.

After reading this, I sure wouldn't want the Johnson&Johnson vaccine..haha

 

[kiddiedoc]

What a hodgepodge of nonsense. I don't remember crazy numbers of kids dying being reported and counting shots has zero to do with menstrual cycles. If anything they would want it lower since it approaches the threshold they've set for getting back to normal

Dude. The media was all over the "skyrocketing" number of serious cases in children, blowing up the TV with scenes of ICUs, reporting percentages instead of raw numbers, etc. Trust me, I lived it. Meanwhile, I was taking care of kids testing positive every day and watching them dance around because they got to miss school.

And yes, the shot affecting women's reproductive cycle was termed a "hoax," including per CDC signage at local pediatric offices. But don't worry, it only increases cycles by an average of one day. Nevermind that 90% of women are not affected. The other 10%? Lengthening of cycles by several days/weeks, and even becoming anovulatory for an extended period of time (i.e. infertile). Oh, and nobody knows why, but we should definitely inject girls before childbearing age.

There was a large mask study involving restaurants that was all over the news "proving" their efficacy. When you actually looked at the data/outcomes, in some areas they found a 1-2% reduction in the rate of increase in COVID cases, a number so obviously statistically insignificant.

And to top it off, the POTUS looked every American in the eyes and said "Listen, if you get the shots, you aren't going to catch COVID." Now the bastard's had it twice.

So forgive us if we are inclined to not trust some numbers.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

@joevol33. Right under 2/3 are vaccinated once you factor in undocumented individuals..

Remember in a lot of blue areas, it was required to work or go to school...

 

[kiddiedoc]

Just a couple of factual clarifications

The virus wasn't 99% survivable if you were old or had major health issues. It was 99.9% survivable if you were young and healthy. Yes, it averaged to around 99% but there was a huge range of estimated outcomes...

I think Pfizer has been FDA approved for over a year and Moderna for several months. I think the EUA is only in effect for babies.

The vaccine right now still isn't working as intended

Go to Walgreens and ask for the FDA approved "Comirnaty" vaccine and get back to me.

 

[utvolpj]

Dude. The media was all over the "skyrocketing" number of serious cases in children, blowing up the TV with scenes of ICUs, reporting percentages instead of raw numbers, etc. Trust me, I lived it. Meanwhile, I was taking care of kids testing positive every day and watching them dance around because they got to miss school.

And yes, the shot affecting women's reproductive cycle was termed a "hoax," including per CDC signage at local pediatric offices. But don't worry, it only increases cycles by an average of one day. Nevermind that 90% of women are not affected. The other 10%? Lengthening of cycles by several days/weeks, and even becoming anovulatory for an extended period of time (i.e. infertile). Oh, and nobody knows why, but we should definitely inject girls before childbearing age.

There was a large mask study involving restaurants that was all over the news "proving" their efficacy. When you actually looked at the data/outcomes, in some areas they found a 1-2% reduction in the rate of increase in COVID cases, a number so obviously statistically insignificant.

And to top it off, the POTUS looked every American in the eyes and said "Listen, if you get the shots, you aren't going to catch COVID." Now the bastard's had it twice.

So forgive us if we are inclined to not trust some numbers.

He said deaths not illness. The numbers to dispute them became available pretty quickly. Where are those numbers showing 50% instead of 80%? Anything to validate besides gut feeling?

There is a big difference in the discussion of side effects and simply counting shots given. Claiming they lied about this one thing years ago so I'm not going to trust any numbers that require simple counting ever is kinda silly

Have you ever questioned the numbers of people receiving vaccines before now? Are they also lying about flu vaccines?

 

[tnmarktx]

Are they also lying about flu vaccines?

Since you are the poster child for someone that knows it all, I guess that depends on what you claim "they" are saying about flu vaccines. The difference between taking them and not as it relates to the chance of getting the flu is minuscule. The same could be said of covid.

 

[utvolpj]

Since you are the poster child for someone that knows it all, I guess that depends on what you claim "they" are saying about flu vaccines. The difference between taking them and not as it relates to the chance of getting the flu is minuscule. The same could be said of covid.

Well I'm just talking about numbers if you follow the posts. If they say 80% of eligible Americans received a flu vax have you ever questioned that?

 

[Jxn Vol]

Just a couple of factual clarifications

The virus wasn't 99% survivable if you were old or had major health issues. It was 99.9% survivable if you were young and healthy. Yes, it averaged to around 99% but there was a huge range of estimated outcomes...

I think Pfizer has been FDA approved for over a year and Moderna for several months. I think the EUA is only in effect for babies.

The vaccine right now still isn't working as intended

You don’t mandate a shot for everyone for a 99% survivable virus. And don’t get me started on masks, social distancing, and quarantines.
Kiddie doc addressed the EUA/FDA issue. The version here is not FDA approved.
It isn’t a vaccine. It’s a shot. At this point it’s not possible to vaccinate for a respiratory virus that mutates fast. It’s like chasing a ball rolling down a hill.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Have you ever questioned the numbers of people receiving vaccines before now? Are they also lying about flu vaccines?

There has been a lot of "unprecedented" going on in the past two years. When the goal is to try to convince everyone to give young children CV shots, I wouldn't put anything past the CDC. Like several recent issues, .gov always believes the ends justify the means, no matter what it takes.

Take the Biden quote I posted above. Then, 2-3 weeks ago the White House said that they have known all along that everyone was eventually going to COVID. Straight up BS, and right from the horse's mouth.

 

[tnmarktx]

Well I'm just talking about numbers if you follow the posts. If they say 80% of eligible Americans received a flu vax have you ever questioned that?

I never really cared. I don't really know who "they" are, but I don't believe 99% of what is reported, especially in this country.

 

[utvolpj]

I never really cared. I don't really know who "they" are, but I don't believe 99% of what is reported, especially in this country.

They is the people being called out for fabricating the data. It's not that hard of a word to decipher