Vaccine or not?

What a hodgepodge of nonsense. I don't remember crazy numbers of kids dying being reported and counting shots has zero to do with menstrual cycles. If anything they would want it lower since it approaches the threshold they've set for getting back to normal
CDC reports fewer COVID-19 pediatric deaths after data correction

There's you some crap to read. Unless you're going to pull a fake news now? Easy to Google. Like I said, you believe whatever you want, but there's not 70 percent of people in America vaccinated.
 
@joevol33. Right under 2/3 are vaccinated once you factor in undocumented individuals..

Remember in a lot of blue areas, it was required to work or go to school...
I'm sure there's a lot vaccinated, especially in blue areas. That said, I just don't believe that it's that high. The same people claiming these numbers swore if you got it, then you wouldn't get covid, and we'll, here we are with everyone vaccinated almost are the ones positive. Not arguing you, PJ, or anyone. People have a right to their opinion. I just posted him facts where the CDC changed their death rates, because most knew the whole time everyone dying wasn't covid. Logically, I can't understand how people can say it was so bad because of so many being unvaccinated, then turn around and try to convince everyone that so many are vaccinated. It's nothing political with me, just stuff doesn't make sense.
 
You don’t mandate a shot for everyone for a 99% survivable virus. And don’t get me started on masks, social distancing, and quarantines.
Kiddie doc addressed the EUA/FDA issue. The version here is not FDA approved.
It isn’t a vaccine. It’s a shot. At this point it’s not possible to vaccinate for a respiratory virus that mutates fast. It’s like chasing a ball rolling down a hill.

I absolutely agree about mandating. The Biden Admin attempting to mandate last year was a colossal blunder once the info was showing the mutations were evading the vaccine.

I do think chemically the comirnaty/Pfizer are the same but once again, it doesn't matter if it doesn't work as intended...
 
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I absolutely agree about mandating. The Biden Admin attempting to mandate last year was a colossal blunder once the info was showing the mutations were evading the vaccine.

I do think chemically the comirnaty/Pfizer are the same but once again, it doesn't matter if it doesn't work as intended...
Pretty sure the only functional difference between BioNTech and Comirnaty is that a BioNTech label means it can be administered to children under the EUA, which is likely why it’s the only one that is being purchased in the US. It allows the purchaser to look at demand in the aggregate across all age groups, simplifying logistics. It also prevents paying injuries caused by a subsidized vaccine out of the regular vaccine injury compensation fund, which is reimbursed by a tax on vaccines, so there’s that.

Even if that weren’t the case, the FDA and Pfizer descriptions of the two drugs would seem to meet the definition of Biosimilars from the US Code, which would allow them to be administered interchangeably.
 
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I'm sure there's a lot vaccinated, especially in blue areas. That said, I just don't believe that it's that high. The same people claiming these numbers swore if you got it, then you wouldn't get covid, and we'll, here we are with everyone vaccinated almost are the ones positive. Not arguing you, PJ, or anyone. People have a right to their opinion. I just posted him facts where the CDC changed their death rates, because most knew the whole time everyone dying wasn't covid. Logically, I can't understand how people can say it was so bad because of so many being unvaccinated, then turn around and try to convince everyone that so many are vaccinated. It's nothing political with me, just stuff doesn't make sense.


Given my far better half occupation helping companies get COVID incentives and ACA compliance, she has a unique vantagepoint to how both sides have been peddling false information the entire time. I know she single handedly caught a blue state (Washington State) in a lie about reported figures...

Here is how it makes sense Joe: follow the money. Red or blue may cover up but green shows through at the end...
 
I absolutely agree about mandating. The Biden Admin attempting to mandate last year was a colossal blunder once the info was showing the mutations were evading the vaccine.

I do think chemically the comirnaty/Pfizer are the same but once again, it doesn't matter if it doesn't work as intended...
BioNTech is the EUA version. Corminaty is the FDA approved version. The latter is not available in the US.
 
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BioNTech is the EUA version. Corminaty is the FDA approved version. The latter is not available in the US.

What has been explained to me (I'm not a Chemist) is that they are the same chemically. If someone provides information to the contrary then obviously I'll reconsider.
 
Playing devil's advocate, you would think the CDC would want a higher number of Kids COVID deaths to report if they were wanting to push vaccinations...
At first that's what was reported. What gets me, is the guidelines they put out to save the world. It costs people jobs, their lively hood, friendships, etc, and now the very same CDC says you don't even have to quarantine. What changed? Still millions unvaccinated, still covid, did the science change? Did they over react? I can post from the president, to Drs, to the CDC changing what they said. Not directed at you, just your statement in general. That's what gets me, the flip flop from the experts, and not one person that was screaming about killing grandma has any remorse for how they destroyed people's lives. I have an uncle who unfriended, stopped talking, etc to everyone in the family who didn't get vaccinated, because we were killing everyone. Now, he's back to hanging with whoever, without a single I'm sorry. Nothing changed, we're still unvaccinated, and COVID is still around. You'll never see me anywhere telling anyone not to get it, I've just been against forcing people, especially when it didn't do what they said. It's just a crazy mess, and the last people I believe about any of it is the government.
 
Playing devil's advocate, you would think the CDC would want a higher number of Kids COVID deaths to report if they were wanting to push vaccinations...

IF?

Only because of the tiny number of cases. We've said all along that pediatric deaths were statistically insignificant wrt covid

Correct, which I think proves his point, no? I saw plenty of "perfectly healthy child dies from COVID" posted on the news. Then they'd show a picture of an extremely obese child.

Those stories were written to push the vax, even if rational people knew all along it was a miniscule number.
 
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Correct, which I think proves his point, no? I saw plenty of "perfectly healthy child dies from COVID" posted on the news. Then they'd show a picture of an extremely obese child.

Those stories were written to push the vax, even if rational people knew all along it was a miniscule number.
It didn't prove any point. It was a miniscule percentage even before the revision. Yes kids died but it was never very many
 
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What has been explained to me (I'm not a Chemist) is that they are the same chemically. If someone provides information to the contrary then obviously I'll reconsider.
They may be chemically the same. But only one protects the FDA from liability under EUA. As that thought soaks in, if the government is creating a climate of mandates is it not reasonable to have available the FDA approved shot? To me this is absurd. All this for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

I swear when I sit back and think of all this it’s like I’ve landed on another planet where everyone has lost their sense of reasoning and common sense.
 
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They may be chemically the same. But only one protects the company from liability under EUA.
This is mostly incorrect.

42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 - Standards of responsibility

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No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.
 
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This is incorrect.

42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 - Standards of responsibility

(1)
No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.
The problem is there were not proper warnings of some of these side effects. Also a case could be made these side effects were avoidable if proper long term safety data was allowed to be collected.

But see it doesn’t matter sifting through all of that when the EUA shot was the one going in.
 
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