Vaccine or not?

[kiddiedoc]

When did they start admitting there was any risk of myocarditis?

When Pfizer literally included the data in their EUA submission.

 

[85SugarVol]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: June 25, 2021

Thanks

The warning in the Fact Sheets for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccines notes that reports of adverse events suggest increased risks of myocarditis and pericarditis, particularly following the second dose and with onset of symptoms within a few days after vaccination.

The FDA references “increased” risks above.
The CDC refers to “very small” risk in the quoted story.

“Increased risk” vs “Very small risk”

Those don’t strike me as similar. Am I being ticky tacky here?

 

[kiddiedoc]

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The FDA references “increased” risks above.
The CDC refers to “very small” risk in the quoted story.

“Increased risk” vs “Very small risk”

Those don’t strike me as similar. Am I being ticky tacky here?

Under a low rate of transmission scenario, Pfizer actually demonstrated (see chart above) that the risk of myocarditis is greater than the risk of hospitalization with CV infection. Additionally, keep in mind that this was with the prior more Virulent strains. The current strain poses virtually no risk of hospitalization for children.

 

[kiddiedoc]

This is the hill folks. Mount up.

Starting to look that way. Absolute fricking insanity.

 

[MarcoVol]

Then why double down? The shot clearly doesn't prevent covid so with it you only increase the chance to harm yourself

I didn’t say get the shot. I pointed out getting Covid runs a higher risk of myocarditis than the vaccine

 

[Jxn Vol]

I didn’t say get the shot. I pointed out getting Covid runs a higher risk of myocarditis than the vaccine

Since myocarditis casualties can sometimes occur 3-5 years down the road, then the shot induced numbers will continue to increase with more shots given.

Also now do blood clots, palsy, and strokes. The shot does more than just damage the heart.

 

[MarcoVol]

Since myocarditis casualties can sometimes occur 3-5 years down the road, then the shot induced numbers will continue to increase with more shots given.

Also now do blood clots, palsy, and strokes. The shot does more than just damage the heart.

Just as the effects of Covid long term are unknown.

Again, I simply replied to a post about myocarditis

 

[Jxn Vol]

Just as the effects of Covid long term are unknown.

Again, I simply replied to a post about myocarditis

The difference is that Covid is nothing but a cold. The shot is full strength and still being pushed on the public. So in the long run the shot will end up doing more harm than Covid the longer it is being pushed.

 

[Jxn Vol]

If the shot doesn’t prevent you from getting Covid. And Covid and the shot can give you myocarditis. But the shot can also give you blood clots, palsy, stroke, etc.

Why take the shot?

Especially if the virus had a survival rate of 99%.

This just makes no sense. It’s like a SNL sketch.

 

[kiddiedoc]

By the way, there remains no explanation as to the mechanism by which a significant number of women suffer from menstrual interruption.

But, we should definitely give the shot to girls before they reach childbearing age.

 

[85SugarVol]

By the way, there remains no explanation as to the mechanism by which a significant number of women suffer from menstrual interruption.

But, we should definitely give the shot to girls before they reach childbearing age.

Do you have a recent article on this?

 

[kiddiedoc]

GRADE: Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine for Children Aged 6-11 Years | CDC

Technical reading. But pay attention.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Do you have a recent article on this?

Global study finds COVID-19 vaccination can affect menstrual cycle

“Menstruation is woefully understudied, which is troubling considering it is a key indicator of fertility and overall health,”

a larger proportion of vaccinated individuals had an increase in cycle length of more than eight days (13.5%), compared with those who were unvaccinated

As I have previously explained, citing an "average increase" of only 1 day is misleading. While most women did not experience much change, about 10% experience a much longer increase in cycle, some even becoming anovulatory.

With adverse events, we aren't looking for an average, we are looking for (even rare) significant effects.

 

[85SugarVol]

Global study finds COVID-19 vaccination can affect menstrual cycle





As I have previously explained, citing an "average increase" of only 1 day is misleading. While most women did not experience much change, about 10% experience a much longer increase in cycle, some even becoming anovulatory.

With adverse events, we aren't looking for an average, we are looking for (even rare) significant effects.

I haven’t read it yet. But for the 10% of women who were impacted - what was the average days increase?

 

[kiddiedoc]

I haven’t read it yet. But for the 10% of women who were impacted - what was the average days increase?

I have not seen that number. 8+, and I saw a scattergram a while back that had several data points weeks-months over

 

[VolinWayne]

I haven’t read it yet. But for the 10% of women who were impacted - what was the average days increase?

I found this from the article Doc posted.
A larger proportion of vaccinated individuals had an increase in cycle length of more than eight days (13.5%), compared with those who were unvaccinated (5%). Additionally, changes in cycle length appeared to be similar across the different vaccine types, offering reassurance to those with concerns about newer vaccine technology, Edelman said.

 

[RockyTop85]

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The FDA references “increased” risks above.
The CDC refers to “very small” risk in the quoted story.

“Increased risk” vs “Very small risk”

Those don’t strike me as similar. Am I being ticky tacky here?

I think so. One is objective and relative, the other is subjective and absolute.

A car can accelerate and still be going slow.

 

[85SugarVol]

I think so. One is objective and relative, the other is subjective and absolute.

A car can accelerate and still be going slow.

That’s true. Stakes seem higher though.

 

[RockyTop85]

That’s true. Stakes seem higher though.

Had a long post about how it’s hard for me to accept the “deadly vaccine” narrative because of who is pushing it and who is believing it and how those people present in fields where I actually have some experience or expertise. Especially after the “liability shield” stuff that circulated in here for months and turned out to be just another example of people having their ignorance exploited to make them outraged. Then my Phone died and I lost it.

The stakes are pretty high with bad driving but, like most people have done with COVID, familiarity breeds acceptance. This thread is a curiosity to me because I really don’t think too many people are left who care if you guys get vaccinated or not.

 

[85SugarVol]

Had a long post about how it’s hard for me to accept the “deadly vaccine” narrative because of who is pushing it and who is believing it and how those people present in fields where I actually have some experience or expertise. Especially after the “liability shield” stuff that circulated in here for months and turned out to be just another example of people having their ignorance exploited to make them outraged. Then my Phone died and I lost it.

The stakes are pretty high with bad driving but, like most people have done with COVID, familiarity breeds acceptance. This thread is a curiosity to me because I really don’t think too many people are left who care if you guys get vaccinated or not.

Guess you could drive slowly over a cliff. I got the first two shots.

 

[Jxn Vol]

The thread keeps going because government and big pharma keep pushing the shots. And people had their lives and livelihoods destroyed over the mandate. And they will not stop pushing this. They actually want to push this on kids and they are the least vulnerable of anyone.

Just if anyone is curious why this thread is relevant.

 

[kiddiedoc]

The thread keeps going because government and big pharma keep pushing the shots. And people had their lives and livelihoods destroyed over the mandate. And they will not stop pushing this. They actually want to push this on kids and they are the least vulnerable of anyone.

Just if anyone is curious why this thread is relevant.

Recent developments are very relevant to my future, and it's a bit disconcerting.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Had a long post about how it’s hard for me to accept the “deadly vaccine” narrative because of who is pushing it and who is believing it and how those people present in fields where I actually have some experience or expertise. Especially after the “liability shield” stuff that circulated in here for months and turned out to be just another example of people having their ignorance exploited to make them outraged. Then my Phone died and I lost it.

The stakes are pretty high with bad driving but, like most people have done with COVID, familiarity breeds acceptance. This thread is a curiosity to me because I really don’t think too many people are left who care if you guys get vaccinated or not.

What is your experience or expertise?

 

[RockyTop85]

Guess you could drive slowly over a cliff. I got the first two shots.

I’d rather just continue not listening to people who act like my garage and driveway being out of coplaner means I drive slowly off a cliff every morning.

 

[VolinWayne]

Dr. Joseph Ladapo Explains Florida's Alarming Findings From Their Safety Study of mRNA Vaccines

"One of the highest increases in risk was intracerebral hemorrhage after the Moderna vaccination, and that was an increase of 119%"

Clip: Dr. Joseph Ladapo Explains Florida's Alarming Findings From Their Safety Study of mRNA Vaccines