Vaccine or not?

[VolinWayne]

My gut told me no to the vax for my kids, and my son has had it once, maybe twice with just a fever and no sequella.. my daughter has never had it .. and they went back to school as soon as they opened back up..my husband and I presented a murkier what to do path.. we had all the shots and got PNA (me), and cerebellar and parietal strokes (him).. it almost seemed like the vaccines primed our bodies to get really sick when we actually did get the virus, but that’s crazy, right?

Sadly that does not sound crasy at all. I hate to hear you guys have had health issues. A very good friend of mine was forced (against his will) to get the jab due to the mandate for Fereral employees. Since he got the shot it seems like every time I speak to him he is sick with either covid or something else.

 

[davethevol]

Every vaccine is protected from lawsuits. The US government underwrites almost all vaccine injuries in this country and pays them out of various funds. They’ve done that since the 1980’s.

I see what you’re saying, and that somewhat goes with the claim made on the radio. I think the issue has to due with mandates and potential injuries, which is why slipping in this recommendation from the CDC protects all those involved with that law you are referencing. https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/house-bill/5546

 

[BP4Prez]

Crazy? No, not at all. Look up "antibody dependent enhancement." I'm not telling you that's the explanation, but it's a possibility.

Anecdotally speaking, and I have a fairly large sample size, the sickest people I have met/ known during the transmission of this latest variant have been the ones that have taken the mRNA shots.

What does this CDC vote change? Parents just need to specify that they do not want the Covid shot? We’ve just always blindly followed the vaccine schedule for our two year old and never questioned it. I honestly didn’t know what he was getting (maybe my wife did). Told my wife tonight to specifically tell doc we did not want the Covid vaccine before any future shots.

 

[Vjcvette]

Well I wish you no harm and very much appreciate you making my point so succinctly.

Hey in here when you out debate someone, what they do is just start name calling because they cannot keep up in an intelligent debate, so they resort
to elementary school tactics.....its really sad.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Hey in here when you out debate someone, what they do is just start name calling because they cannot keep up in an intelligent debate, so they resort
to elementary school tactics.....its really sad.

I'll bite.

Tell me why children should be given EUA mRNA shots targeted against CV19, and explain the safety data.

I think I can handle "intelligent debate."

 

[Vjcvette]

I'll bite.

Tell me why children should be given EUA mRNA shots targeted against CV19, and explain the safety data.

I think I can handle "intelligent debate."

Oh really...so the last time that I was in here I was called names like "special needs" and other adjectives, and even you said...,
"Well I was wearing a helmet", so what about that...

 

[kiddiedoc]

Oh really...so the last time that I was in here I was called names like "special needs" and other adjectives, and even you said...,
"Well I was wearing a helmet", so what about that...

Well, you haven't said anything intelligent thus far.

Back to the question I presented?

 

[Vjcvette]

I stayed on point to my comment and you did not answer the question that I presented either....
This is what the American Medical Association says.....
Jack Resneck Jr., M.D.
President, American Medical Association

“Following the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) authorization on Friday, today’s action by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to unanimously recommend use of both the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines for children as young as six months of age is a vital step in protecting many more children from COVID-19. Many parents across the U.S. have anxiously awaited a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine for their children—having foregone normal daily activities for the past several years to protect their youngest children from the virus. Parents will breathe a sigh of relief knowing these vaccines will very soon be available.

“Based on a rigorous review of the scientific data, FDA authorized and ACIP recommended a two dose primary series of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for children 6 months to 5 years of age. For the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, a three dose primary series is authorized and recommended for children 6 months to 4 years of age. We look forward to the final recommendation of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) director on use of the vaccines.

This is what the CDC says....
According to the CDC, COVID-19 is a leading cause of death among children ages 0-19 years. Since the beginning of the pandemic, among children in the U.S. aged 6 months to 4 years, there have been more than 2 million cases of COVID-19, more than 20,000 hospitalizations, and more than 200 deaths. We urge parents to get their children vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as they are eligible. While there is overwhelming scientific evidence showing the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective, we know many parents and families still have questions. We encourage parents to speak with their child’s physician and review trusted resources, such as getvaccineanswers.org, to get the information they need to make an informed decision. We also encourage the use of v-safe, a smartphone-based tool that helps the CDC monitor COVID-19 vaccine safety.
“It is imperative that all parents in all jurisdictions have access to the vaccine for infants and children and we are hopeful that millions more children will receive the vaccine in the coming weeks and months—reducing their risk of COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and death.”
I responded to your question.....you did not respond to mine......Next

 

[utvolpj]

I stayed on point to my comment and you did not answer the question that I presented either....
This is what the American Medical Association says.....
Jack Resneck Jr., M.D.
President, American Medical Association

“Following the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) authorization on Friday, today’s action by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to unanimously recommend use of both the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines for children as young as six months of age is a vital step in protecting many more children from COVID-19. Many parents across the U.S. have anxiously awaited a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine for their children—having foregone normal daily activities for the past several years to protect their youngest children from the virus. Parents will breathe a sigh of relief knowing these vaccines will very soon be available.

“Based on a rigorous review of the scientific data, FDA authorized and ACIP recommended a two dose primary series of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for children 6 months to 5 years of age. For the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, a three dose primary series is authorized and recommended for children 6 months to 4 years of age. We look forward to the final recommendation of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) director on use of the vaccines.

This is what the CDC says....
According to the CDC, COVID-19 is a leading cause of death among children ages 0-19 years. Since the beginning of the pandemic, among children in the U.S. aged 6 months to 4 years, there have been more than 2 million cases of COVID-19, more than 20,000 hospitalizations, and more than 200 deaths. We urge parents to get their children vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as they are eligible. While there is overwhelming scientific evidence showing the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective, we know many parents and families still have questions. We encourage parents to speak with their child’s physician and review trusted resources, such as getvaccineanswers.org, to get the information they need to make an informed decision. We also encourage the use of v-safe, a smartphone-based tool that helps the CDC monitor COVID-19 vaccine safety.
“It is imperative that all parents in all jurisdictions have access to the vaccine for infants and children and we are hopeful that millions more children will receive the vaccine in the coming weeks and months—reducing their risk of COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and death.”
I responded to your question.....you did not respond to mine......Next

You don't see how that statement is absurd from start to finish? Unless your child has serious health issues before covid there are no intelligent parents forgoing "normal daily activities for the past several years to protect their youngest children from the virus."

"While there is overwhelming scientific evidence showing the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective"
How about the overwhelming scientific evidence that children are not at risk from covid?

This is not following the science as they demanded we do when it was on their side. Now that the data shows different it's all about feelings. Instead of following science we need someone to follow the money for these useless "scientists "

As a parent I can assure you that if this were a danger to children and if there was a safe vax then there would be a line out the door at pediatrician offices

 

[kiddiedoc]

I stayed on point to my comment and you did not answer the question that I presented either....
This is what the American Medical Association says.....
Jack Resneck Jr., M.D.
President, American Medical Association

“Following the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) authorization on Friday, today’s action by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to unanimously recommend use of both the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines for children as young as six months of age is a vital step in protecting many more children from COVID-19. Many parents across the U.S. have anxiously awaited a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine for their children—having foregone normal daily activities for the past several years to protect their youngest children from the virus. Parents will breathe a sigh of relief knowing these vaccines will very soon be available.

“Based on a rigorous review of the scientific data, FDA authorized and ACIP recommended a two dose primary series of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for children 6 months to 5 years of age. For the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, a three dose primary series is authorized and recommended for children 6 months to 4 years of age. We look forward to the final recommendation of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) director on use of the vaccines.

This is what the CDC says....
According to the CDC, COVID-19 is a leading cause of death among children ages 0-19 years. Since the beginning of the pandemic, among children in the U.S. aged 6 months to 4 years, there have been more than 2 million cases of COVID-19, more than 20,000 hospitalizations, and more than 200 deaths. We urge parents to get their children vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as they are eligible. While there is overwhelming scientific evidence showing the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective, we know many parents and families still have questions. We encourage parents to speak with their child’s physician and review trusted resources, such as getvaccineanswers.org, to get the information they need to make an informed decision. We also encourage the use of v-safe, a smartphone-based tool that helps the CDC monitor COVID-19 vaccine safety.
“It is imperative that all parents in all jurisdictions have access to the vaccine for infants and children and we are hopeful that millions more children will receive the vaccine in the coming weeks and months—reducing their risk of COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and death.”
I responded to your question.....you did not respond to mine......Next

I didn't ask for cut and paste articles. None of that answers either of my questions.

Let me help:

Present solid evidence that shots have prevented transmission of CV in children and have prevented deaths in healthy children.

Explain why, despite Pfizer admitting it, myocarditis is not a safety concern.

Demonstrate the mechanism to explain menstrual changes in women and that this mechanism will not affect younger girls once they reach childbearing age.

Refute the possibility that mRNA shots are actually driving new mutations/ variants.

Demonstrate the long term safety of spike protein delivered to nursing babies in breast milk.

 

[ButchPlz]

I stayed on point to my comment and you did not answer the question that I presented either....
This is what the American Medical Association says.....
Jack Resneck Jr., M.D.
President, American Medical Association

“Following the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) authorization on Friday, today’s action by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to unanimously recommend use of both the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines for children as young as six months of age is a vital step in protecting many more children from COVID-19. Many parents across the U.S. have anxiously awaited a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine for their children—having foregone normal daily activities for the past several years to protect their youngest children from the virus. Parents will breathe a sigh of relief knowing these vaccines will very soon be available.

“Based on a rigorous review of the scientific data, FDA authorized and ACIP recommended a two dose primary series of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for children 6 months to 5 years of age. For the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, a three dose primary series is authorized and recommended for children 6 months to 4 years of age. We look forward to the final recommendation of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) director on use of the vaccines.

This is what the CDC says....
According to the CDC, COVID-19 is a leading cause of death among children ages 0-19 years. Since the beginning of the pandemic, among children in the U.S. aged 6 months to 4 years, there have been more than 2 million cases of COVID-19, more than 20,000 hospitalizations, and more than 200 deaths. We urge parents to get their children vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as they are eligible. While there is overwhelming scientific evidence showing the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective, we know many parents and families still have questions. We encourage parents to speak with their child’s physician and review trusted resources, such as getvaccineanswers.org, to get the information they need to make an informed decision. We also encourage the use of v-safe, a smartphone-based tool that helps the CDC monitor COVID-19 vaccine safety.
“It is imperative that all parents in all jurisdictions have access to the vaccine for infants and children and we are hopeful that millions more children will receive the vaccine in the coming weeks and months—reducing their risk of COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and death.”
I responded to your question.....you did not respond to mine......Next

That first CDC line is an outright lie.

 

[norrislakevol]

I didn't ask for cut and paste articles. None of that answers either of my questions.

Let me help:

Present solid evidence that shots have prevented transmission of CV in children and have prevented deaths in healthy children.

Explain why, despite Pfizer admitting it, myocarditis is not a safety concern.

Demonstrate the mechanism to explain menstrual changes in women and that this mechanism will not affect younger girls once they reach childbearing age.

Refute the possibility that mRNA shots are actually driving new mutations/ variants.

Demonstrate the long term safety of spike protein delivered to nursing babies in breast milk.

Game, set, match.

 

[Sea Ray]

She gave some hard numbers...

According to the CDC, COVID-19 is a leading cause of death among children ages 0-19 years. Since the beginning of the pandemic, among children in the U.S. aged 6 months to 4 years, there have been more than 2 million cases of COVID-19, more than 20,000 hospitalizations, and more than 200 deaths.

Are those numbers correct or are they disputed?

 

[utvolpj]

She gave some hard numbers...

According to the CDC, COVID-19 is a leading cause of death among children ages 0-19 years. Since the beginning of the pandemic, among children in the U.S. aged 6 months to 4 years, there have been more than 2 million cases of COVID-19, more than 20,000 hospitalizations, and more than 200 deaths.

Are those numbers correct or are they disputed?

A leading cause not the leading cause. The number of deaths is very low. I believe it ranks 8 or somewhere close with a big gap between main causes

 

[Sea Ray]

Here's an article that I think is quite fair. Here's the line that bothers me:

Children aged six months to four years are the most recent age group for which vaccines — mostly mRNA shots — have been approved. Data on how well the shots work in this group is scarce;

COVID jabs for kids: they’re safe and they work — so why is uptake so patchy?

 

[davethevol]

She gave some hard numbers...

According to the CDC, COVID-19 is a leading cause of death among children ages 0-19 years. Since the beginning of the pandemic, among children in the U.S. aged 6 months to 4 years, there have been more than 2 million cases of COVID-19, more than 20,000 hospitalizations, and more than 200 deaths.

Are those numbers correct or are they disputed?

It looks like they lied. Covid isn’t on this list as a leading cause of death.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

 

[utvolpj]

It looks like they lied. Covid isn’t on this list as a leading cause of death.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

Appears that only goes to 2020

 

[Volfan8282]

I didn't ask for cut and paste articles. None of that answers either of my questions.

Let me help:

Present solid evidence that shots have prevented transmission of CV in children and have prevented deaths in healthy children.

Explain why, despite Pfizer admitting it, myocarditis is not a safety concern.

Demonstrate the mechanism to explain menstrual changes in women and that this mechanism will not affect younger girls once they reach childbearing age.

Refute the possibility that mRNA shots are actually driving new mutations/ variants.

Demonstrate the long term safety of spike protein delivered to nursing babies in breast milk.

I’m sure you’ll get a Nobel Prize worthy response.

 

[kiddiedoc]

She gave some hard numbers...

According to the CDC, COVID-19 is a leading cause of death among children ages 0-19 years. Since the beginning of the pandemic, among children in the U.S. aged 6 months to 4 years, there have been more than 2 million cases of COVID-19, more than 20,000 hospitalizations, and more than 200 deaths.

Are those numbers correct or are they disputed?

The trickiest issue is that nobody will report the number of healthy children that have died with a diagnosis of CV. Upon my last discussion with the most well-informed physician administrator I know, he was not aware of a single death in an otherwise healthy child in any of the hospital systems he communicates with. Additionally, there exists no evidence that CV shots would have prevented the deaths in the medically-complex children.

Let's try this: does anyone on the board actually know a child that had died in the past 2.5 years from CV? That's a pretty large sample. I can list several losses I am aware of from other causes: suicide, car accident, RSV, OD.

 

[Sea Ray]

Aren't current variants less virulent than the original? Even adults are rarely getting hospitalized with this right now

 

[Vjcvette]

You don't see how that statement is absurd from start to finish? Unless your child has serious health issues before covid there are no intelligent parents forgoing "normal daily activities for the past several years to protect their youngest children from the virus."

"While there is overwhelming scientific evidence showing the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective"
How about the overwhelming scientific evidence that children are not at risk from covid?

This is not following the science as they demanded we do when it was on their side. Now that the data shows different it's all about feelings. Instead of following science we need someone to follow the money for these useless "scientists "

As a parent I can assure you that if this were a danger to children and if there was a safe vax then there would be a line out the door at pediatrician offices

Ok, I cannot change anything that the CDC says, or the AMA or any of the Scientist or their thinking....

 

[Vjcvette]

She gave some hard numbers...

According to the CDC, COVID-19 is a leading cause of death among children ages 0-19 years. Since the beginning of the pandemic, among children in the U.S. aged 6 months to 4 years, there have been more than 2 million cases of COVID-19, more than 20,000 hospitalizations, and more than 200 deaths.

Are those numbers correct or are they disputed?

Anything that is posted in this thread that "They" do not like is disputed unless if fits their particular agenda because apparently we have several Scientist up in here.

 

[Vjcvette]

A leading cause not the leading cause. The number of deaths is very low. I believe it ranks 8 or somewhere close with a big gap between main causes

Well then you need to alert the medical community as soon as possible that "You" have all of the correct stats and let them know about it.

 

[LouderVol]

Had a long post about how it’s hard for me to accept the “deadly vaccine” narrative because of who is pushing it and who is believing it and how those people present in fields where I actually have some experience or expertise. Especially after the “liability shield” stuff that circulated in here for months and turned out to be just another example of people having their ignorance exploited to make them outraged. Then my Phone died and I lost it.

The stakes are pretty high with bad driving but, like most people have done with COVID, familiarity breeds acceptance. This thread is a curiosity to me because I really don’t think too many people are left who care if you guys get vaccinated or not.

We are in the PF.

1. the government is still pushing the vaccines.
2. The truth is coming out, that the government/pharma knew things not made public in order to push the vaccines. Anyone, regardless of vaccine status, should not be ok with the government lying to us. If we dont admit we have a problem, government lying, it will never get fixed.
3. With the lies coming out, and the cover up of the side effects people's lives were harmed by unelected government officials. At the very least we need to drastically reevaluate how these government officials can act going forward, and punish those responsible. If it was anyone else besides the government and their pay masters, look at who funds these decision makers, they would be in jail.
4. We will potentially see the ramifications of these actions for the rest of our lives. Some people here arent the typical American who gets distracted with every knew emergency, why should we let it go?

 

[LouderVol]

What does this CDC vote change? Parents just need to specify that they do not want the Covid shot? We’ve just always blindly followed the vaccine schedule for our two year old and never questioned it. I honestly didn’t know what he was getting (maybe my wife did). Told my wife tonight to specifically tell doc we did not want the Covid vaccine before any future shots.

Check the bottles. They lied to me and tried to give me a different Covid shot than the one I requested. "Oh sorry. I am used to giving out this shot". Sounds paranoid, but this whole situation has made me extremely distrustful.