Vaccine or not?

[Vjcvette]

This is exactly what I have been requesting. As I have already stated, virtually every pediatric death with details known involved a chronically-ill or compromised child. For some reason, comorbid statistics are not available. The last time I ran the numbers, the risk of a child dying from CV was approximately that of being struck by lightning. Now, look up mortality and disability statistics for myocarditis (a known risk from the shots).

In addition, there are no studies in children that have demonstrated mRNA shot efficacy at preventing transmission or preventing death. Repeatedly posting "x# of kids died with CV diagnosis" is utter nonsense. I'm sorry if that comes across as "punkish" or "cavalier."

It plainly states in bold letters "died from covid"
546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.
COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines. The overall risk of myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – is substantially higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than it is in the weeks following vaccination for the coronavirus, a large new study in England shows.Aug 22, 2022

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than ...
https://www.heart.org › news › 2022/08/22 › covid-19-in...

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

What flu death numbers are you using?



Pediatric Flu Deaths During 2019-2020 Reach New High | CDC

Here was what I used.

"While any death in a child from a vaccine preventable illness is a tragedy, the number of pediatric flu deaths reported to CDC each season is likely an undercount. For example, even though the reported number of deaths during the 2017-2018 flu season was 188, CDC estimates the actual number was closer to 600. It is likely the actual number of children who died from flu during the 2019-2020 season is higher as well."

 

[Vjcvette]

We know that is not true. It's been admitted that they aren't separated out. Also, what was the health status of those before getting covid?

What adverse health effects, how many, what was the health of those before covid, etc?

If you already know that this is all not true, than there is nothing else to talk about, you already know the stats, studies etc.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

It plainly states in bold letters "died from covid"
546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.
COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines. The overall risk of myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – is substantially higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than it is in the weeks following vaccination for the coronavirus, a large new study in England shows.Aug 22, 2022
COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than ...
https://www.heart.org › news › 2022/08/22 › covid-19-in...

There is no uniform definition of "dying from COVID". My uncle was stage 4 hospice with lung cancer and he contacted COVID at the very end. He was considered a "Covid" death.

 

[utvolpj]

If you already know that this is all not true, than there is nothing else to talk about, you already know the stats, studies etc.

How they're counting covid deaths has always been a farce. That has been admitted to by officials

Even if that number were accurate it's still not telling any story and absolutely is not evidence that infants and toddlers need to get a shot

You seen to be struggle to understand the numbers you're posting. The death of a child is absolutely tragic yet it does not override the data that show children simply aren't at a statistical risk from covid.

 

[kiddiedoc]

It plainly states in bold letters "died from covid"
546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.
COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines. The overall risk of myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – is substantially higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than it is in the weeks following vaccination for the coronavirus, a large new study in England shows.Aug 22, 2022
COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than ...
https://www.heart.org › news › 2022/08/22 › covid-19-in...

Again, stop the cut and paste. No, there have been no distinctions in whether or not CV was the COD in these cases. I do know that regional hospital data found that around 40-50% of CV19 "cases" in the hospital were coincidental, not the reason for hospitalization. And, no, there is no significant cohort suffering from long-term adverse events.

I can tell you that in our practice of c. 10,000 kids, there have been zero negative outcomes, we have seen no "long COVID," and even patients as young as 2 weeks old, those with asthma, heart problems, and cancer, and obese teenagers have all kicked the virus without sequelae.

 

[ButchPlz]

Imagine being so evil- like a maniac still rambling in this thread- that you think children ought to be juiced up with this stuff.

SARS-CoV-2 vaccine and increased myocarditis mortality risk: A population based comparative study in Japan

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So when something is unpopular hide behind states rights. This after supporting a nation wide mandate.

The vaccine has exposed folks for what they are.

The follow the science morons want to add this without actually having completed trials and long term safety data.

All for a 99% survivable virus that has mutated beyond their shot that didn’t work in the first place.

We have idiots running things folks. And if they aren’t idiots then they are on the take financially.

You say they are idiots. I say they are just evil that know exactly what they are doing.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

BREAKING: CDC Panel Unanimously Votes to Add Covid-19 Shots to Childhood Vaccines Schedule - Becker News

The CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) held its vote to add Covid-19 shots to its childhood vaccination schedule on Wednesday. Watch as the committee members voiced their votes on the controversial measure.

The ACIP panel voted unanimously 15-0 for the CDC to recommend that children get the Covid-19 vaccines and boosters. The CDC is now almost certain to add the Covid shots to its ‘Childhood Vaccines Schedule,’ which schools often rely upon to mandate ‘vaccines’ in order to attend public school.

The CDC earlier opened up its scheduled vote for public comment and received fierce blowback. Tens of thousands of comments poured into the CDC, the great majority seemingly in direct opposition to the vote to add the Covid vaccines to the childhood schedule. You can read more comments and add your own here.

ACIP’s decision to add the Covid shots is based on hidden data and in defiance of the minute Covid risk factors for healthy children, particularly for healthy children who have natural immunity due to a prior infection. In the United States, there is near-universal antibody seroprevalence due to prior infection. The Covid shots have known adverse events. It is a scientific fact that they do not stop the spread of the virus.

Unanimously???

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Starting to look that way. Absolute fricking insanity.

I'm sorry, I realize you are a doc and will undoubtedly have more info about these things. But at this point, I'm thinking we need to revisit the number of vaccines on the schedule based on what we are seeing right now. How many of them are unnecessary or questionable? All this move does is feed into the cynicism that most people already have.

 

[ButchPlz]

I'm sorry, I realize you are a doc and will undoubtedly have more info about these things. But at this point, I'm thinking we need to revisit the number of vaccines on the schedule based on what we are seeing right now. How many of them are unnecessary or questionable? All this move does is feed into the cynicism that most people already have.

I know a lot of very intelligent people with children declining the regular panel at this stage. Whether that's actually advisable or not I don't know, but it is definitely happening.

 

[VolinWayne]

I'm sorry, I realize you are a doc and will undoubtedly have more info about these things. But at this point, I'm thinking we need to revisit the number of vaccines on the schedule based on what we are seeing right now. How many of them are unnecessary or questionable? All this move does is feed into the cynicism that most people already have.

Looking at the chart for Vaers reports each year something clearly happened in 2022 that hasn't happened in a while. It jumped from maybe 1,000 reported deaths to 23,000 reported deaths caused by vaccines. Thats some pretty clear data that anybody with a little bit of common sense can interpret.


COVID Vaccine Data - OpenVAERS

 

[VolinWayne]

COVID Vaccine Data - OpenVAERS

1,437,273 Reports Through October 7, 2022
31,470
DEATHS
180,382
HOSPITALIZATIONS
136,809
URGENT CARE
208,368
DOCTOR OFFICE VISITS
10,087
ANAPHYLAXIS
16,140
BELL'S PALSY
5,095
Miscarriages
16,891
Heart Attacks
53,114
Myocarditis/
Pericarditis
58,847
Permanently Disabled
9,133
Thrombocytopenia/
Low Platelet
34,395
Life Threatening
45,080
Severe Allergic Reaction
14,880
Shingles

 

[VolinWayne]

COVID Vaccine Reports in Children
(Ages 6 mos.-17 years)
Through October 7, 2022
Deaths
160
Permanently Disabled
526
Myocarditis
1,959

 

[VolinWayne]

 

[Vjcvette]

Again, stop the cut and paste. No, there have been no distinctions in whether or not CV was the COD in these cases. I do know that regional hospital data found that around 40-50% of CV19 "cases" in the hospital were coincidental, not the reason for hospitalization. And, no, there is no significant cohort suffering from long-term adverse events.

I can tell you that in our practice of c. 10,000 kids, there have been zero negative outcomes, we have seen no "long COVID," and even patients as young as 2 weeks old, those with asthma, heart problems, and cancer, and obese teenagers have all kicked the virus without sequelae.

So those are the stats in your practice, but you have to consider all of the stats, not just the stats in your practice, and as far as stats on menstrual cycles, all I have found
is that the effects are minor and temporary
How COVID-19 vaccines affect the menstrual cycle

 

[Vjcvette]

What is this then you absolute heathen?

More name calling of course

 

[Vjcvette]

I thought you were asking for an intelligent debate.

You have not answered a single question that I posed to you in a very rational, organized format.

You are wanting stats that I have never seen, like stats on menstrual cycles after covid vaccine, I have never seen them

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So those are the stats in your practice, but you have to consider all of the stats, not just the stats in your practice, and as far as stats on menstrual cycles, all I have found
is that the effects are minor and temporary
How COVID-19 vaccines affect the menstrual cycle

That should still be concerning. Why are the vaccines disrupting menstrual cycles on the first place?

 

[Vjcvette]

That should still be concerning. Why are the vaccines disrupting menstrual cycles on the first place?

I have never seen stats on menstrual cycles, all that article says is that the effects are minor and temporary

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

2 weeks to flatten the curve and 2 years later, this is where we are...

 

[kiddiedoc]

I'm sorry, I realize you are a doc and will undoubtedly have more info about these things. But at this point, I'm thinking we need to revisit the number of vaccines on the schedule based on what we are seeing right now. How many of them are unnecessary or questionable? All this move does is feed into the cynicism that most people already have.

I will tell you with certainty that this mess has increased hesitancy with the routine vaccinations. I've even had a number of parents ask if I thought "they" might be sneaking CV in with the flu shot.

I promise you this: the past two years are unprecedented. The testing required to authorize other pediatric vaccinations have been multi-step and take up to a quarter century. I've not had a serious reaction to a standard vaccine in 19 years.

I hear reports of adverse reactions to CV shots by parents at least weekly, including one in my own wife, who took them bc she had a strong desire to travel in 2020. This is absolutely a different animal.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I have never seen stats on menstrual cycles, all that article says is that the effects are minor and temporary

Yeah, they are. Unless you like having a regular menstrual cycle or the ability to ovulate and have kids.

 

[kiddiedoc]

That should still be concerning. Why are the vaccines disrupting menstrual cycles on the first place?

Nobody knows. But for God's sake put it in your little girls.

 

[zhangliao04]

You are in the wrong place for that.

Probably so. It’s a shame intellectual discussions between two people with possible differing opinions (no matter the degree of which they differ) are very rare now.