Vaccine or not?

[utvolpj]

If you do not want to believe data from the state, that is your choice.

What data am I supposed to be looking at? You just threw a link out

Kids testing positive is irrelevant. Provide data on it actually being dangerous to them

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

The CDC should be reliable, but it is a political agency with an agenda. The AMA is a failing institution that claims to represent the views of physicians, yet less than 1 in 5 actual physicians are members.

Here are two scientists that present a viewpoint that varies in ways from those above. Google them. I challenge people to listen to their critiques.

Dr Vinay Prasad
Dr Paul Ofitt

The CDC is also receiving state and local info from agencies that have a political agenda as well....

 

[kiddiedoc]

The CDC should be reliable, but it is a political agency with an agenda. The AMA is a failing institution that claims to represent the views of physicians, yet less than 1 in 5 actual physicians are members.

Here are two scientists that present a viewpoint that varies in ways from those above. Google them. I challenge people to listen to their critiques.

Dr Vinay Prasad
Dr Paul Ofitt

I haven't been a member of the far-Left AMA or AAP in many years. The AAP supports sterilizing minors and performing gender- reassignment surgery before the age of consent, in case anyone is interested.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Yes, one of my students died from COVID
]

I'm very sorry to hear that. How old and did he/she have prior medical conditions? I assume not locally or that would have made headline news.

 

[ButchPlz]

Oh really.....one would never know

>gets bitchy about insults
>throws insults left and right

I guess that helmet really is to keep you from further brain damage.

 

[utvolpj]

This thread is against anyone who is vaccinated and it should be titled "Anti vassers only"

It's more against no data, crap posts. It's against a govt forcing an untested concoction on babies and children when it is worthless at best and harmful at worst. It's a thread where many realize we were absolutely lied to by many, many govt officials who had a monetary interest in the vaccine. Other govt officials craved control and power which may be even worse

I'm not comfortable with how you've been treated here

She keeps coming back and jumping in with feels and no facts. There's a safe thread in the pub if this one is uncomfortable

 

[ButchPlz]

I haven't been a member of the far-Left AMA or AAP in many years. The AAP supports sterilizing minors and performing gender- reassignment surgery before the age of consent, in case anyone is interested.

The AMA is also nothing more than a wholly-owned subsidiary of the pharma industry anyway.

Back in 2019 a book called Code Blue was written by a leftist doctor about how the pharma industry operates. This was before COVID. Right now, if that book was published, it would be considered far-right conspiracy theory. His economic recommendations are pants-on-head, but the specific examples of how the AMA, USDA, NSF, CDC, etc. all work in lockstep with a revolving door of leadership moving between government, industry, and non-profits is incredible.

 

[Vjcvette]

It's more against no data, crap posts. It's against a govt forcing an untested concoction on babies and children when it is worthless at best and harmful at worst. It's a thread where many realize we were absolutely lied to by many, many govt officials who had a monetary interest in the vaccine. Other govt officials craved control and power which may be even worse


She keeps coming back and jumping in with feels and no facts. There's a safe thread in the pub if this one is uncomfortable

I post from the AMA, CDC and Harvard.....

 

[Vjcvette]

>gets bitchy about insults
>throws insults left and right

I guess that helmet really is to keep you from further brain damage.

Have not posted insults, you on the other hand need to learn to tell the truth

 

[utvolpj]

I post from the AMA, CDC and Harvard.....

But nothing relevant to the discussion. The numbers of people dead under the age of 19 is irrelevant to a vaccine discussion without context. The gross numbers on positive cases are absolutely useless to any discussion. Again, you post data but have no clue what they mean

What in any of your posts leads an intelligent person to want to vaccinate their 1yo child? Heck, extend that to any healthy person under the age of 50

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

It's more against no data, crap posts. It's against a govt forcing an untested concoction on babies and children when it is worthless at best and harmful at worst. It's a thread where many realize we were absolutely lied to by many, many govt officials who had a monetary interest in the vaccine. Other govt officials craved control and power which may be even worse


She keeps coming back and jumping in with feels and no facts. There's a safe thread in the pub if this one is uncomfortable

There's been a lot of crap posts on both sides. You have the posts where a fat person in their late 30s dies from a heart attack and the insinuation is that its COVID vax. Or the deaths of 400+ lb plus guys like Tony Siragusa or Caleb Swanigan. Or the LB from the Ravens with a history of drug issues....

 

[Vjcvette]

What data am I supposed to be looking at? You just threw a link out

Kids testing positive is irrelevant. Provide data on it actually being dangerous to them

While the risk of COVID causing severe illness and hospitalization is much lower compared to adults, it's important to remember that at least 1,546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.

Coronavirus outbreak and kids - Harvard Health
https://www.health.harvard.edu › diseases-and-conditi

 

[vols4sure]

This thread is against anyone who is vaccinated and it should be titled "Anti vassers only"

What point are you trying to make with this? That way I know where the conversation is going.

That is what I am trying to understand. I think most people agree the vax should be (and should always have been) a personal decision. No one cares that she got the Vax and if her position is just that it worked for her, why keep citing the virtually non-existent number of deaths for children between 0-18? I can only take it as her arguing that the CDC is justified in recommending the shot for children when the CDC unquestionably realizes that their recommendation will make the shot required in certain jurisdictions.

 

[utvolpj]

While the risk of COVID causing severe illness and hospitalization is much lower compared to adults, it's important to remember that at least 1,546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.
Coronavirus outbreak and kids - Harvard Health
https://www.health.harvard.edu › diseases-and-conditi

Why do you keep posting the same thing? The number is completely useless without context. That's what everyone is trying to convey to you

 

[Vjcvette]

Yes, one of my students died from COVID
I answered your question.
I am not "special needs" and I don't "wear a helmet."
If you hurl those insults at users, as you have done and with a cavalier, punkish attitude, you should not be a moderator on this (or any) board deciding if someone else should have a post edited.
Period.
@Freak

Yes.....Yes.....Yes...Thank you @GordonC

 

[Vjcvette]

Check your rear for a diamond.

I am not the one that called her "special needs." She has a helmet on in her pic and I made a joke about it, and I told her it was a joke at the time. Good Lord

I'll call my friend Freak tonight and beg forgiveness.

As you should

 

[utvolpj]

There's been a lot of crap posts on both sides. You have the posts where a fat person in their late 30s dies from a heart attack and the insinuation is that its COVID vax. Or the deaths of 400+ lb plus guys like Tony Siragusa or Caleb Swanigan. Or the LB from the Ravens with a history of drug issues....

And I've personally called those out as well. The ravens one in particular since he died of an od in a crack house.

 

[ButchPlz]

Have not posted insults, you on the other hand need to learn to tell the truth

Tell the truth about what?

There is zero COVID data that shows it is one of the main causes of death among kids. Literally none. You post case numbers, which are irrelevant.

I'd call you the liar, but I genuinely think the GED standards you dealt with 40 years ago were just a bit lower than they are now.

 

[Vjcvette]

What data am I supposed to be looking at? You just threw a link out

Kids testing positive is irrelevant. Provide data on it actually being dangerous to them

The post was an answer to stats in children deaths from covid
While the risk of COVID causing severe illness and hospitalization is much lower compared to adults, it's important to remember that at least 1,546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.

Coronavirus outbreak and kids - Harvard Health
https://www.health.harvard.edu › diseases-and-conditi

 

[Vjcvette]

Tell the truth about what?

There is zero COVID data that shows it is one of the main causes of death among kids. Literally none. You post case numbers, which are irrelevant.

I'd call you the liar, but I genuinely think the GED standards you dealt with 40 years ago were just a bit lower than they are now.

Tell the truth......I have not hurrled insults at anyone....stay on the subject

 

[ButchPlz]

Tell the truth......I have not hurrled insults at anyone....stay on the subject

I am on subject. You've had it pointed out to you half a dozen times how ignorantly you're coming across, then you complain when people get fed up and call you out for idiocy.

 

[Vjcvette]

Tell the truth about what?

There is zero COVID data that shows it is one of the main causes of death among kids. Literally none. You post case numbers, which are irrelevant.

I'd call you the liar, but I genuinely think the GED standards you dealt with 40 years ago were just a bit lower than they are now.

You know when people seem to lack communication skills.....they make comments like this...
I guess that helmet really is to keep you from further brain damage.

 

[Vjcvette]

I am on subject. You've had it pointed out to you half a dozen times how ignorantly you're coming across, then you complain when people get fed up and call you out for idiocy.

Nope you had accused me of hurrling insults, that would not be correct and I have enough communication skills
where I will never have to resort to the "Elementary school" tactics of calling names

 

[ButchPlz]

Oh really.....one would never know

What is this then you absolute heathen?

 

[Vjcvette]

It's not a lack of communication skills. It's outright hostility at idiots like you that think they have a right to dictate vaccine usage for other people's CHILDREN. Especially when they're doing it while being unable to read basic facts and figures on their own.

You deserve everything and more coming your way. It's disgusting.

Don't you have some cookies to bake or something....in your science lab