Vaccine or not?

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NurseGoodVol said:
You are wearing your feelings on your Vol nation sleeve. I wish no harm to those who chose to take the shot and those who didn’t.
I think I’ll fall in the % bracket where you won’t get your wish.
Taking the shots where appropriate is called for. I’m anti mRNA shot for myself. Others can make their own calls on whether this shot is appropriate for them given we now know more about the risks. We still have no medium and long term data. The short term data is not impressive enough for certain groups to even be considered for the shot therapy, in fact it could have lasting side effects down the road. It was appropriate for certain groups and they have benefited from it. Would love to see people admitting this shot was not the panacea big pharma and the gov touted it to be, it’s not.
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Yeah right, I'm going to listen to the advice of a nurse in Tennessee over the pros at CDC. Nothing personal, I have a niece that is about to retire from the military as a nurse after 24 years. And I have appreciated the care of the nursing staff at various hospitals during prior surgeries. But you're just not in the league of the top epidemiologists and medical researchers in the country. You claim no short term data when this is the most studied vaccine inhistoryke you are. You're already making false statements in your post.

I know conservatives don't believe in the concept of a social contract where we work together to solve problems, but I do. You violate that social contract when you choose not to be vexed and increase your chance of catching a severe case, which hospitals have to carte for even if the person doesn't have insurance. Go look at sorryantivaxxer.com and see how many of the hospitalized individuals don't have insurance and have to start a go-fund me page. Then there are the people who legitimately can't be vexxed. Unvaxxed persons increase their potential danger.

Oh hell, we've been arguing about this forever. Screw it. I stand by my post.
 
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WBO said:
Yeah right, I'm going to listen to the advice of a nurse in Tennessee over the pros at CDC. Nothing personal, I have a niece that is about to retire from the military as a nurse after 24 years. And I have appreciated the care of the nursing staff at various hospitals during prior surgeries. But you're just not in the league of the top epidemiologists and medical researchers in the country. You claim no short term data when this is the most studied vaccine inhistoryke you are. You're already making false statements in your post.

I know conservatives don't believe in the concept of a social contract where we work together to solve problems, but I do. You violate that social contract when you choose not to be vexed and increase your chance of catching a severe case, which hospitals have to carte for even if the person doesn't have insurance. Go look at sorryantivaxxer.com and see how many of the hospitalized individuals don't have insurance and have to start a go-fund me page. Then there are the people who legitimately can't be vexxed. Unvaxxed persons increase their potential danger.

Oh hell, we've been arguing about this forever. Screw it. I stand by my post.
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This has got to be one of the most idiotic statements I have ever seen and proves that you are absolutely clueless about the safety of MRNA vaccines. Remind me again when have they ever pushed a vaccine on the general population without first doing broad trials and testing for 5 to 10 years, first on animals and then in human trials?
 
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Bombshell Emails: CDC Pressured FDA to Authorize COVID Boosters Without Clinical Trials
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention pressured U.S. regulators to clear COVID-19 boosters without clinical trial data, according to emails obtained by Judicial Watch.




Bombshell Emails: CDC Pressured FDA to Authorize COVID Boosters Without Clinical Trials

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By Zachary Stieber

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) pressured U.S. regulators to clear COVID-19 boosters without clinical trial data, according to newly released emails.

CDC officials relayed to counterparts at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in early August 2021 that they wanted authorization for Moderna and Pfizer boosters as data began showing that the vaccines weren’t working as well as initially promoted.

The conversation took place on a call that was described by Dr. Phil Krause, a top FDA official, to several other FDA workers.

“Take a deep breath before reading this next paragraph. On that call, the CDC evidently stated that they will assemble all the data they are aware of on third dosing in this setting and send it to us in the hope that we will (very soon) authorize the third dose for immunocompromised as part of the EUA,” Krause wrote in the Aug. 5, 2021, email.

EUA stands for emergency use authorization.

All of the COVID-19 vaccines were authorized under emergency conditions at that time.

No boosters had been authorized and no clinical data were available for the boosters.

The emails show that “the CDC wanted the booster approved without a trial,” Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, a professor of medicine at Stanford University, wrote on Twitter.

The CDC didn’t respond to a request for comment.
 
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WBO said:
Yeah right, I'm going to listen to the advice of a nurse in Tennessee over the pros at CDC. Nothing personal, I have a niece that is about to retire from the military as a nurse after 24 years. And I have appreciated the care of the nursing staff at various hospitals during prior surgeries. But you're just not in the league of the top epidemiologists and medical researchers in the country. You claim no short term data when this is the most studied vaccine inhistoryke you are. You're already making false statements in your post.

I know conservatives don't believe in the concept of a social contract where we work together to solve problems, but I do. You violate that social contract when you choose not to be vexed and increase your chance of catching a severe case, which hospitals have to carte for even if the person doesn't have insurance. Go look at sorryantivaxxer.com and see how many of the hospitalized individuals don't have insurance and have to start a go-fund me page. Then there are the people who legitimately can't be vexxed. Unvaxxed persons increase their potential danger.

Oh hell, we've been arguing about this forever. Screw it. I stand by my post.
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Complete and utter nonsense.

That being said, if I had pushed my chips like the Branch Covidians, I'd still be praying for a river card that just isn't going to come.

"Pandemic of the unvaccinated"
"If you take the vaccines, you aren't going to catch COVID"
"Vaccine or ventilator"
"Two weeks to flatten the curve"

GTFO
 
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WBO said:
Yeah right, I'm going to listen to the advice of a nurse in Tennessee over the pros at CDC. Nothing personal, I have a niece that is about to retire from the military as a nurse after 24 years. And I have appreciated the care of the nursing staff at various hospitals during prior surgeries. But you're just not in the league of the top epidemiologists and medical researchers in the country. You claim no short term data when this is the most studied vaccine inhistoryke you are. You're already making false statements in your post.

I know conservatives don't believe in the concept of a social contract where we work together to solve problems, but I do. You violate that social contract when you choose not to be vexed and increase your chance of catching a severe case, which hospitals have to carte for even if the person doesn't have insurance. Go look at sorryantivaxxer.com and see how many of the hospitalized individuals don't have insurance and have to start a go-fund me page. Then there are the people who legitimately can't be vexxed. Unvaxxed persons increase their potential danger.

Oh hell, we've been arguing about this forever. Screw it. I stand by my post.
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We still appeal to the authority of the CDC?

Really?
 
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WBO said:
Yeah right, I'm going to listen to the advice of a nurse in Tennessee over the pros at CDC. Nothing personal, I have a niece that is about to retire from the military as a nurse after 24 years. And I have appreciated the care of the nursing staff at various hospitals during prior surgeries. But you're just not in the league of the top epidemiologists and medical researchers in the country. You claim no short term data when this is the most studied vaccine inhistoryke you are. You're already making false statements in your post.

I know conservatives don't believe in the concept of a social contract where we work together to solve problems, but I do. You violate that social contract when you choose not to be vexed and increase your chance of catching a severe case, which hospitals have to carte for even if the person doesn't have insurance. Go look at sorryantivaxxer.com and see how many of the hospitalized individuals don't have insurance and have to start a go-fund me page. Then there are the people who legitimately can't be vexxed. Unvaxxed persons increase their potential danger.

Oh hell, we've been arguing about this forever. Screw it. I stand by my post.
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Wow
 
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WBO said:
Yeah right, I'm going to listen to the advice of a nurse in Tennessee over the pros at CDC. Nothing personal, I have a niece that is about to retire from the military as a nurse after 24 years. And I have appreciated the care of the nursing staff at various hospitals during prior surgeries. But you're just not in the league of the top epidemiologists and medical researchers in the country. You claim no short term data when this is the most studied vaccine inhistoryke you are. You're already making false statements in your post.

I know conservatives don't believe in the concept of a social contract where we work together to solve problems, but I do. You violate that social contract when you choose not to be vexed and increase your chance of catching a severe case, which hospitals have to carte for even if the person doesn't have insurance. Go look at sorryantivaxxer.com and see how many of the hospitalized individuals don't have insurance and have to start a go-fund me page. Then there are the people who legitimately can't be vexxed. Unvaxxed persons increase their potential danger.

Oh hell, we've been arguing about this forever. Screw it. I stand by my post.
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so much nonsense...my goodness
 
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WBO said:
Yeah right, I'm going to listen to the advice of a nurse in Tennessee over the pros at CDC. Nothing personal, I have a niece that is about to retire from the military as a nurse after 24 years. And I have appreciated the care of the nursing staff at various hospitals during prior surgeries. But you're just not in the league of the top epidemiologists and medical researchers in the country. You claim no short term data when this is the most studied vaccine inhistoryke you are. You're already making false statements in your post.

I know conservatives don't believe in the concept of a social contract where we work together to solve problems, but I do. You violate that social contract when you choose not to be vexed and increase your chance of catching a severe case, which hospitals have to carte for even if the person doesn't have insurance. Go look at sorryantivaxxer.com and see how many of the hospitalized individuals don't have insurance and have to start a go-fund me page. Then there are the people who legitimately can't be vexxed. Unvaxxed persons increase their potential danger.

Oh hell, we've been arguing about this forever. Screw it. I stand by my post.
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Let’s clear up some assumptions you made.
Nurse yes. Critical care nurse for 16 years specializing in neurosurgical and cardiothorasic surgery with a 3 page resume. During covid I spent 2.5 years watching and caring for people in 5 different hospitals covid ICUs, one of those being the university in Charlottesville Virginia. Not all nurses are equal in quality of education or ability to critically think. Kudos to your niece for serving. Much respect for those in service as my daughter served on the pirate Hunter, as it was deemed, in the navy.

I had covid in March/April 2020 and made it through with vitamins, anticoagulantion, purse lipped breathing and the love of my husband. So now I have naturally acquired immunity. Naturally acquired immunity negates your social contract theory. Puts me in the unique position of not even having to consider a shot with unknown side effects. Science has never ignored natural immunity but somehow the waters in science were quite muddied with this virus. Even the “experts” ignored natural immunity, including the golden boy Fauci, which goes against statements he made years ago.

It’s no secret that I believe this virus was a GOF experiment. I’ve worked and lived through several viruses, non of which acted like this one.

Immunocompromised people, people with diabetes, hypertension, and morbid obesity should absolutely look at their conditions and what age groups are more likely to be susceptible to covid and weigh out their choices. I’ve watched way too many shotted up people die from mysterious sudden events that should not have happened. So you can take what you’ve read and I’ll take what I’ve seen and I’ll go with my judgement. It has been more sound than CDC recommendations that fly in the face of science.
PS …anytime someone states nothing personal they are about to insult you. It’s a PF and expected at this point. Grain of salt thing.
 
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davethevol said:
There was a guy years ago that worked for the CDC and supposedly committed suicide by drowning himself. I remember speculation at the time that he stumbled upon something he shouldn’t have and was murdered.
Mysterious death of CDC worker Timothy Cunningham ruled suicide by drowning: Medical examiner
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They spent more money studying gun violence in the last few years than they did some important actual diseases. It’s possible if they did their job free of tribalism their response to Covid might have been……..better.
 
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WBO said:
Yeah right, I'm going to listen to the advice of a nurse in Tennessee over the pros at CDC. Nothing personal, I have a niece that is about to retire from the military as a nurse after 24 years. And I have appreciated the care of the nursing staff at various hospitals during prior surgeries. But you're just not in the league of the top epidemiologists and medical researchers in the country. You claim no short term data when this is the most studied vaccine inhistoryke you are. You're already making false statements in your post.

I know conservatives don't believe in the concept of a social contract where we work together to solve problems, but I do. You violate that social contract when you choose not to be vexed and increase your chance of catching a severe case, which hospitals have to carte for even if the person doesn't have insurance. Go look at sorryantivaxxer.com and see how many of the hospitalized individuals don't have insurance and have to start a go-fund me page. Then there are the people who legitimately can't be vexxed. Unvaxxed persons increase their potential danger.

Oh hell, we've been arguing about this forever. Screw it. I stand by my post.
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