Vaccine or not?

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Orangeslice13 said:
They should be ****ing ashamed of themselves.
There’s a special place in hell for mother ****ers who write articles like that.
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This is not a political matter. It's a health matter. I don't think anybody can deny that there has been a huge increase in young healthy people people suddenly dying. I see news articles all the time about healthy people dying suddenly of "natural causes". Give me a freaking break with that garbage. The only " died of natural cause " I've ever heard of is in people over 80 years old. Healthy people dying suddenly in anything but natural. I personally think there is a special place in hell for people who aren't willing to at least acknowledge there is a problem and have an open discussion on what's causing the problem. Who knows, maybe it is caused by previous covid Infection but to simply not want to have an honest open discussion about it is simply evil and inhumane.
 
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lawgator1 said:
On the flip side, moron parents.

Baby whose parents refused blood from vaccinated donors undergoes lifesaving heart surgery | CNN
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There is a lot more to that story. The parents actually did their own research and found multiple blood donors who were unvaccinated. Now I admit, I do not know the logistics of the hospital accessing this blood but it's pretty pathetic that parents who desire blood from unvaccinated donors for their 6 month old child is not being granted. The way they came and took the baby from them was pretty pathetic.
 
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VolinWayne said:
This is not a political matter. It's a health matter. I don't think anybody can deny that there has been a huge increase in young healthy people people suddenly dying. I see news articles all the time about healthy people dying suddenly of "natural causes". Give me a freaking break with that garbage. The only " died of natural cause " I've ever heard of is in people over 80 years old. Healthy people dying suddenly in anything but natural. I personally think there is a special place in hell for people who aren't willing to at least acknowledge there is a problem and have an open discussion on what's causing the problem. Who knows, maybe it is caused by previous covid Infection but to simply not want to have an honest open discussion about it is simply evil and inhumane.
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People die of natural causes every day. Young. Old. In between. It was that way long before the virus and the vaccine. You just assume that the death of a young person since then was caused by the vaccine. You have no evidence of it. But you read about it.

The anti-science wave in this country is just astounding and depressing. And your logic (or lack thereof) is exhibit 1.
 
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VolinWayne said:
There is a lot more to that story. The parents actually did their own research and found multiple blood donors who were unvaccinated. Now I admit, I do not know the logistics of the hospital accessing this blood but it's pretty pathetic that parents who desire blood from unvaccinated donors for their 6 month old child is not being granted. The way they came and took the baby from them was pretty pathetic.
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Funny, the loony tunes anti-science right is all about protecting the new born .... until the parents would let it die out of some sort of fake fear, caused by right wing echo chamber hysteria.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
They should be ****ing ashamed of themselves.
There’s a special place in hell for mother ****ers who write articles like that.
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We should direct anger towards the government and medical community who abandoned practicing medicine - treatment - as the time-tested standard of care. Who attempted to convince us under a panoply of WAGs, then outright lies, that experimental drugs are the only option and still doing it. Drugs known to cause exceptionally high injury and death in young people who are at less risk from the virus itself.

The parents are true believers, having been convinced by government agenda masquerading as medicine. That's the point of the article. Under the smug assumption they following 'science', they likely contributed to the death of their daughter. If they have other children, now they know better and that child doesn't have to be placed at vax risk. And others should heed the warning that our governments and medical establishment have fascistically come together and are injuring and killing people.

We have to say the quiet part out loud, here.
 
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VolinWayne said:
This is not a political matter. It's a health matter. I don't think anybody can deny that there has been a huge increase in young healthy people people suddenly dying. I see news articles all the time about healthy people dying suddenly of "natural causes". Give me a freaking break with that garbage. The only " died of natural cause " I've ever heard of is in people over 80 years old. Healthy people dying suddenly in anything but natural. I personally think there is a special place in hell for people who aren't willing to at least acknowledge there is a problem and have an open discussion on what's causing the problem. Who knows, maybe it is caused by previous covid Infection but to simply not want to have an honest open discussion about it is simply evil and inhumane.
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Bull ****.
This article was written as a political hit piece. The author is a **** bag who wrote this in a way to appeal to a certain audience.
 
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NCFisher said:
We should direct anger towards the government and medical community who abandoned practicing medicine - treatment - as the time-tested standard of care. Who attempted to convince us under a panoply of WAGs, then outright lies, that experimental drugs are the only option and still doing it. Drugs known to cause exceptionally high injury and death in young people who are at less risk from the virus itself.

The parents are true believers, having been convinced by government agenda masquerading as medicine. That's the point of the article. Under the smug assumption they following 'science', they likely contributed to the death of their daughter. If they have other children, now they know better and that child doesn't have to be placed at vax risk. And others should heed the warning that our governments and medical establishment have fascistically come together and are injuring and killing people.

We have to say the quiet part out loud, here.
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We should direct anger at anyone spreading misinformation and being part of the problem
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
We should direct anger at anyone spreading misinformation and being part of the problem
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At this point nobody really even knows what mis‐information is. If you have been paying any attention at all to the twitter dumps you can see that there have been a lot of things labeled as "mis-information" over the past 4 years when in all actuality if was simply a liberal "fact-checker" trying to snuff out all dissenting opinions. This is called fascism.
"Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government."
 
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VolinWayne said:
This is not a political matter. It's a health matter. I don't think anybody can deny that there has been a huge increase in young healthy people people suddenly dying. I see news articles all the time about healthy people dying suddenly of "natural causes". Give me a freaking break with that garbage. The only " died of natural cause " I've ever heard of is in people over 80 years old. Healthy people dying suddenly in anything but natural. I personally think there is a special place in hell for people who aren't willing to at least acknowledge there is a problem and have an open discussion on what's causing the problem. Who knows, maybe it is caused by previous covid Infection but to simply not want to have an honest open discussion about it is simply evil and inhumane.
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What the 5 largest publicly traded life insurance/long term insurance companies have done since rollout of vaccine. If there was widespread future death risks, that would be baked in here.

These returns look a whole lot better than the rest of the Biden market....

Metlife : stock price up 97% ($37 to $73)

AiG : stock price up over 103% ($31 to $63)

Aflac: stock price up 115% $33 to $71

Prudential: stock price up 65% ($62 to $102)

Berkshire stock price up 52% ($201 to $307)
 
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There is a lot of misinformation out there so follow the money. Premiums are increasing lower than inflation, insurance companies have all time profits, all time stock prices.

If Alex Jones was right, these companies would be bankrupt. There's a reason why he is bankrupt and they are worth over a trillion dollars...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
There is a lot of misinformation out there so follow the money. Premiums are increasing lower than inflation, insurance companies have all time profits, all time stock prices.

If Alex Jones was right, these companies would be bankrupt. There's a reason why he is bankrupt and they are worth over a trillion dollars...
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throw in high health care costs, so people dont get treatment they can afford
 
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VolinWayne said:
At this point nobody really even knows what mis‐information is. If you have been paying any attention at all to the twitter dumps you can see that there have been a lot of things labeled as "mis-information" over the past 4 years when in all actuality if was simply a liberal "fact-checker" trying to snuff out all dissenting opinions. This is called fascism.
"Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government."
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My brother is pro vaccine.
He posted memes making fun of anti vaccine people
He’s oppressed to the vaccine for children.
He didn’t vaccinate his kids.
His kids had the flu and recovered
If one had died like the kid in the article then the article could have been written about his family and people would falsely believe it was because of the vaccine

it’s straight up misinformation.
And the author is a scum bag for pushing it
 
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lawgator1 said:
People die of natural causes every day. Young. Old. In between. It was that way long before the virus and the vaccine. You just assume that the death of a young person since then was caused by the vaccine. You have no evidence of it. But you read about it.

The anti-science wave in this country is just astounding and depressing. And your logic (or lack thereof) is exhibit 1.
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They won't release the trial data. No one knows what the science says.
 
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Mother on Tucker Carlson Tonight: Daughter Denied Kidney Transplant Over Vaccination Status

“… two doctors that denied us… because of the Covid vaccine. We saw them for an eight hour workup and that's when they told us that it was gonna be required… we pushed back… they put her in front of the committee on November 10th. She was rejected solely because of the vaccine.”

Mother on Tucker Carlson Tonight: Daughter Denied Kidney Transplant Over Vaccination Status
 
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Grant Wahl, soccer writer, dies (suddenly) after collapsing at World Cup - Los Angeles Times

"Award-winning sportswriter Grant Wahl, best known for his work with Sports Illustrated and Fox Soccer, died after collapsing in the media tribune at Friday’s Argentina-Netherlands World Cup game, U.S. Soccer announced. He was 49.

Paramedics treated Wahl for approximately 30 minutes after his collapse before removing him from the stadium on a stretcher. He was later pronounced dead Saturday morning at a Qatari hospital.

“My body finally broke down on me. Three weeks of little sleep, high stress and lots of work can do that to you,” Wahl wrote. “What had been a cold over the last 10 days turned into something more severe on the night of the USA-Netherlands game, and I could feel my upper chest take on a new level of pressure and discomfort.”
Wahl wrote that he tested negative for COVID-19 and sought treatment for his symptoms.

“I went into the medical clinic at the main media center today, and they said I probably have bronchitis. They gave me a course of antibiotics and some heavy-duty cough syrup, and I’m already feeling a bit better just a few hours later. But still: No bueno,” he wrote"

Grant Wahl, prominent soccer writer, dies after collapsing in World Cup press box

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Jxn Vol said:
I think the trial is still going on. The test subjects are the vaccinated.
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I used to tell people this when we were debating the pros and cons of the vaccine. It was almost always said “the vaccine has been studied and is safe and effective!”

And I would usually reply, “Maybe, maybe not. We’ll know one day, but we don’t know today. You realize you ARE the research, right?”
 
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So we've come to a place in our society where , politically motivated, people wish death on those who aren't vaccinated, and vaccinated deaths are "I told you so"? I know plenty of Democrats who didn't get vaccinated, and I know plenty of republicans who did. I have a black liberal friend who is more anti vaccine on this one than anyone I know. I know good people who were scared, and got vaccines. I know good people who were legit concerned about this vaccine, and they're not "antivax". To think everyone that's vaccinated and dies is because of the vaccine, is as crazy as thinking just because you didn't have a bad side effect from the vaccine, that others can't. We've sincerely lost our humanity over how someone votes, and that's pretty freaking sad
 
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