Vegas has vols over/under at 4.5 wins

#51
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Jake Tate said:
Weather smether. We lost that game because of heart, or should i say, lack of heart. From our coaches and some of our players. That's the first time I've ever seen us lose to Ky since I've been alive.

Lack of heart and lack of coaching. That's why we lost to a WR playing QB and it's the same reason that Vanderbilt now thinks they are better than us (I cant even type that second part with a straight face).

Butch is righting the ship. I have a lot of faith, our defense is what scares me though. Lucky we have a huge influx of talent over the next few months.
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ah yes, the ever-measurable heart factor...

My argument is that, in a game where velocity was at a premium due to high wind speeds, we had a gameplan to throw often with our star QB making his 2nd start post-trowing-hand-thumb break. If you want to blame Dooley for the gameplan, fine. The fact of the matter is that Bray probably didn't have the ability to get enough speed on every throw while Kentucky secretly put a QB-turned-WR on the field and said run the option, throw if you absolutely must.

But yeah, it's heart. That's why.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
For those that continue to insist we under achieved last season. And for those that insist our oline will be improved. It's not a reflection of what Vegas thinks about butch but what they think about our material.
Even though there are six or seven winnable games, every game on our schedule with the exception of chattanooga is losable. It will be a miracle if our program can somehow manage to avoid an embarrassing loss during this slide. I'm going to say 6-6 but I would not bet on it. Utah state and Arkansas state are dangerous foes and Vegas knows this. Butch will start getting judged next season. Dooley signed to many Christian Harris and Cody blancs.:salute:
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Dooley severance maybe the greatest heist in American history
 
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So, if we get 4.5 wins does the tie go to the house! :)
We'll break the bank and get five for the over. :rock::hi:
GO VOLS!
 
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Vegas did not set that under over. some guys on a website put that out. he said those are what he'd set them at. all that stuff from Vegas wont come out for a little while longer. all thats officially out is the National Title Odds.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
It's not a reflection of what Vegas thinks about butch but what they think about our material.
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Nope, that's not how these things work. Oddsmakers take in all factors. They certainly factor in coaching staff. If we're predicted to only win 4.5 games, it's an evaluation of both our talent and our coaching staff. You don't get to just pretend it's one and not the other because you wish it were that way. Reality doesn't work that way. Sorry.
 
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oregonvol said:
Nope, that's not how these things work. Oddsmakers take in all factors. They certainly factor in coaching staff. If we're predicted to only win 4.5 games, it's an evaluation of both our talent and our coaching staff. You don't get to just pretend it's one and not the other because you wish it were that way. Reality doesn't work that way. Sorry.
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but this is not a real Vegas line
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
but this is not a real Vegas line
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I read that. But, I didn't say anything about Vegas. The OP did.

Still doesn't change my point. You can't look at what oddsmakers, experts, pundits, etc., predict for this team to do this season and then pretend it is only a reflection of the player's talent and doesn't have anything to do with their estimation of the coaches' abilities.
 
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oregonvol said:
I read that. But, I didn't say anything about Vegas. The OP did.

Still doesn't change my point. You can't look at what oddsmakers, experts, pundits, etc., predict for this team to do this season and then pretend it is only a reflection of the player's talent and doesn't have anything to do with their estimation of the coaches' abilities.
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At some point, all players have to be coached, no matter the talent.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
We haven't even named a starting QB yet.

A good portion of our talent isn't even on campus yet.

Lines are going to move like crazy over the next 3 months. Everyone chill.
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You think the line will move based on announcing the starting QB? Unless we announce Manning will be back for a 5th year, the line isn't going anywhere. And unless the portion of the talent you are talking about is the Seattle defense and Denver offense, the line is not moving. Good grief man- you think you can out-think a Vegas pro?
 
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Vols4us said:
And Vegas is never wrong. Oh, wait...

Vegas has a view at 30,000 feet early on. They will adjust as they see the product.

And we have a QB, who had he played against UF and Vandy most likely would have produced 2 more wins like he did against USCe and nearly did against UGA. C'mon people. Worley has taken another step forward, Dobbs will be significantly improved and Ferguson will get his shot in camp. The receivers are dramatically improved as well as RB, which will now be able to run between the tackles due to quicker O-lineman that have experience that few appear to a want to acknowledge. With Maggit, Vereen, Sutton, Randolph, and AJ along with the huge influx of talent on defense there will be enough stops to pull our a couple more wins than last season.
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You must have never had the chance to visit Vegas. Look at the Bellagio- they don't build buildings like that by being wrong very often. And casinos do make quite a bit if $$$ on sports betting as well as tables.
 
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jkleno said:
You think the line will move based on announcing the starting QB? Unless we announce Manning will be back for a 5th year, the line isn't going anywhere. And unless the portion of the talent you are talking about is the Seattle defense and Denver offense, the line is not moving. Good grief man- you think you can out-think a Vegas pro?
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The majority of Vol fans are in denial of our situation and cling to every little ray of hope, thinking that the next coach has to be the messiah of the program
 
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jkleno said:
You must have never had the chance to visit Vegas. Look at the Bellagio- they don't build buildings like that by being wrong very often. And casinos do make quite a bit if $$$ on sports betting as well as tables.
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They don't build buildings like that by being right or wrong on any particular line or item. They build those buildings by getting lots and lots of people to bet.
 
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I know we established it is not the Vegas line, but I love all the people saying bet the house.

I picture them as the same people saying, "UT has out recruited Oregon" and "No way Oregon covers that big a spread."
 
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sjt18 said:
They don't build buildings like that by being right or wrong on any particular line or item. They build those buildings by getting lots and lots of people to bet.
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You might be a better sports gamer than me. Most of the people I talk to end up losing in the end.
 
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Considering the lack of depth and experience on both the offensive and defensive lines, this Vol squad will probably do well to win 5 games, all things considered. If Butch can recruit well again for 2015 things should start to turn around, but it won't happen overnight.
 
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photovol said:
Considering the lack of depth and experience on both the offensive and defensive lines, this Vol squad will probably do well to win 5 games, all things considered. If Butch can recruit well again for 2015 things should start to turn around, but it won't happen overnight.
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I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but, if this team only manages 5 wins this season, odds are the recruiting class won't look very good at all.
 
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jkleno said:
You think the line will move based on announcing the starting QB? Unless we announce Manning will be back for a 5th year, the line isn't going anywhere. And unless the portion of the talent you are talking about is the Seattle defense and Denver offense, the line is not moving. Good grief man- you think you can out-think a Vegas pro?
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It is absolutely 100% reasonable for you to take me saying "the lines will move" to mean I think I am smarter than a "vegas-pro"
 
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oregonvol said:
I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but, if this team only manages 5 wins this season, odds are the recruiting class won't look very good at all.
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I wouldn't bet on that. I'm under the impression that Butch is telling it like it is. He should be telling the recruits that what they see on the field this year isn't going to be indicative of what they'll put on field the following year. That's why I feel like we got as many as we did to commit the day after all the losses last season.
 
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crusse10 said:
I wouldn't bet on that. I'm under the impression that Butch is telling it like it is. He should be telling the recruits that what they see on the field this year isn't going to be indicative of what they'll put on field the following year. That's why I feel like we got as many as we did to commit the day after all the losses last season.
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Last year was largely a legacy class. There was a built in advantage and if you listen to what the coaches say, they were helped by those kids recruiting others. That was a unique situation. There is no such advantage this year and there won't be moving forward. You never see guys sign top classes after multiple losing seasons. There is no reason to suspect that will be the case here either.
 
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