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The fact that you played at West Point in the 60s (if thats even a fact) basically means that by todays standards you were a pretty lousy player. None of which has anything to do with the fact that we dont have any great offensive players and that if Tobias Harris is anything close to what he is supposed to be he will easily be the go-to-guy
 
The fact that you played at West Point in the 60s (if thats even a fact) basically means that by todays standards you were a pretty lousy player. None of which has anything to do with the fact that we dont have any great offensive players and that if Tobias Harris is anything close to what he is supposed to be he will easily be the go-to-guy

You always manage to take ignorance to a whole new level.
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The fact that you played at West Point in the 60s (if thats even a fact) basically means that by todays standards you were a pretty lousy player. None of which has anything to do with the fact that we dont have any great offensive players and that if Tobias Harris is anything close to what he is supposed to be he will easily be the go-to-guy

you're senseless, especially regarding my basketball and age. You mentioned an if in there. That's a far cry from where you were yesterday.
 
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The fact that you played at West Point in the 60s (if thats even a fact) basically means that by todays standards you were a pretty lousy player. None of which has anything to do with the fact that we dont have any great offensive players and that if Tobias Harris is anything close to what he is supposed to be he will easily be the go-to-guy

Your posts suck.
 
BPV,

Do you really not see why you coming from a place where you can get in trouble if you do not cut the dessert correctly gives you a different view on hazing than knowing TN basketball players who play under Bruce Pearl?

This is stupid. Dessert cutting issues do not apply to NCAA athletes and their team tables. The teams and their hazing have nothing at all to do with the plebe system. I can appreciate that you have no idea what on earth you're talking about, but keep trying by all means.

I do not know why you keep bringing up the SAT in other threads and the LSAT in this one. Perhaps you struggled with standardized tests which has created an obsession, or perhaps you did very well with them and you are waiting for the opportunity to compete in that arena on a message board. Either way, it is sad.

only one of us continues to brag upon his standardized testing. That isn't me. Yours were so awesome that you apparently defaulted to a crap hole, but what does that have to do with the facts here. The guy is going to be a freshman basketball player and they often defer to the team leaders. That doesn't change unless there is a huge number of freshmen or the guy is truly one of those killers. My personal experience might not be relevant to make that assertion, but it's miles closer than yours.

I have tremendous respect for West Point as an institution, and I have not disparaged it except inasmuch as the quality of basketball play is low. I did not want a Congressional recommendation (which we did talk about at my Eagle Scout ceremony) because the military did not seem like the path for me. I also did not take enough math to get into West Point.

good lord. We can tell from the commentary that you had no prayer of getting in and were likely the one feather Eagle Scout type. Impressive. As far as pundit qualifications go, you aren't even on the charts.

I respect tremendously your service. I think your insinuation that unless you played college basketball you do not know as much about it as someone who did is completely idiotic. I also know that you are wrong about the upcoming hazing of Tobias Harris and although you implied rather than directly stating it, I believe Tobias will be one of our top options at the end of the game despite his freshman status.

stop with my service crap. I'm not here for respect and didn't do it for respect. I did it because it was the toughest school in America to get into and I wasn't destined for pro ball. I could have played at several places, but made the academic decision. The comment wasn't about me. It was asking about the freshman vs. upperclassman dynamic. I asked if he had been around it, which neither of you have.

The fact that you have never actually been coached or mentored by a college coach or college player means you clearly know less basketball. You can't have possibly spent as much time learning the game and understanding coaching, period. The hazing will be different, but the team assimilation process exists almost everywhere and it serves a very useful purpose. I don't care what you believe, as you have no reason whatsoever to believe it. Just more baseless conjecture from you. You might be right and I hope you are, but you are simply throwing darts blindfolded. We can all do that.
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I guess you played basketball at West Point? So you are the expert of NCAA athletics?

Newsflash, there is no hazing at TN in terms of carrying bags. They also do not do shaving cream to the face. It is not the 1960s. Freshmen are allowed to play, and they are often the best scoring option when time is running out.

Oden, Durant etc the list of stud big men who were the guys you wanted scoring at the end of the game when you had to have the points is a long one.

You've pointed to Carmelo, Durant and Oden. By all accounts Tobias is not a one and done type.

These guys are the exceptions, not the rule. Who was Duke's or Butler's go to freshman last year?
 
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I guess you played basketball at West Point? So you are the expert of NCAA athletics?

Newsflash, there is no hazing at TN in terms of carrying bags. They also do not do shaving cream to the face. It is not the 1960s. Freshmen are allowed to play, and they are often the best scoring option when time is running out.

Oden, Durant etc the list of stud big men who were the guys you wanted scoring at the end of the game when you had to have the points is a long one.

Hazing of freshman is a time honored tradition. I was hazed as a freshman in HS even though I was a starter. I was hazed as a freshman in 2001 when I went to college to play.

I know for a fact UT FB freshman get hazed. Rookie's in pro ball get hazed.

Which final four team depended on a freshman as the best scoring option with time running out? If you are depending on a freshman to lead your team and score in the final minutes of games you are likely not one of the better teams.
 
Your playing at a place where plebes are abused makes you about as much of an expert on basketball in the SEC as Pat Conroy. Tobias Harris will not be hazed. He will step on campus as the man and when he is dominating in practice others will be thrilled.

You think that saying "Tobias Harris may or may not be the guy who takes shots at the end of the game" with a good dose of condescension about how you played and know what it is all about to try to rely on a freshman, is just kind of sad/funny.

I have respect for service to the country through the United States military and for West Point as an institution. The only respect I have for the basketball program is that it has had some great coaches and has produced some great coaches. It is not relevant to the experience of Tobias Harris.

You have no freaking clue. I bet first round draft picks in the NFL and NBA never get hazed...
 
BTW I endured hazing for team building or whatever you want to call it. But Bruce Pearl is not Bobby Knight or Bear Bryant, and a 6'8 one and done potential freshman is not a message board pundit who played sports at some sucky level.

If you think that Cousins and Wall endured hazing and it made them unable to take the final shot (something closest to the retarded post that started this) I say you are the person who does not know anything about SEC basketball.

Interesting you point to a team that depended on freshman to come through in the clutch that failed as your example.
 
If Harris is close to as good as he is supposed to be he will be easily our best offensive player. Which would make it a pretty easy choice.

Really? Almost the exact same thing. If you think that playing basketball at Army gives you some kind of leg up on knowledge of today's game, you are wrong. If you think that playing basketball at Army in the 60s means you were a good player wrong. A kid would have a hard time making his high school team with the abilities of 1960 Army basketball players. Maybe for that era you might have been decent. But by today's standards you were lousy.
 
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Really? Almost the exact same thing. If you think that playing basketball at Army gives you some kind of leg up on knowledge of today's game, you are wrong. If you think that playing basketball at Army in the 60s means you were a good player wrong. A kid would have a hard time making his high school team with the abilities of 1960 Army basketball players. Maybe for that era you might have been decent. But by today's standards you were lousy.

More unheralded ignorance.
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Not necessarily.

I just have enough free time to call out the moronic posts that people like you so freely throw around on this site.
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Saying "you are ignorant" isnt calling me out. It actually points to your own stupidity if you can't even tell me what was so ignorant about my post.
 
Really? Almost the exact same thing. If you think that playing basketball at Army gives you some kind of leg up on knowledge of today's game, you are wrong. If you think that playing basketball at Army in the 60s means you were a good player wrong. A kid would have a hard time making his high school team with the abilities of 1960 Army basketball players. Maybe for that era you might have been decent. But by today's standards you were lousy.

you haven't the faintest clue who offered me scholarships to play basketball. Not the faintest freaking clue. You also haven't the remotest idea when I played basketball nor any of the roles I played in basketball during my career or thereafter.

FYI, I played in this era, you proud to ignorant fool. I struggled to make HS teams, but they saw fit to recruit me to play ball, as did several other solid programs. Where did you play? Hell, for that matter, who's a decent coach you know or would even consider asking your opinion? Even further, did you go to college? Can you formulate reasonable thoughts? If so, could you revert to said ability here please.
 
Saying "you are ignorant" isnt calling me out. It actually points to your own stupidity if you can't even tell me what was so ignorant about my post.

I can tell you how you're ignorant. I played well beyond the 60s. That's not the end of the list, but absolute and irrefutable proof that sheer ignorance is a very comfortable spot for you when you post. There actually doesn't need to be any more. Posting from absolute ignorance is just a bad idea. It doesn't help when you have the mental capacity of a seven year old to double it down. Oh, I forget, you have like a 4 digit SAT score or something.

I've seen three idiots post standardized test scores to support their opinions here. You're one of them along with MHF and I can't think of four other posters here who would buy your POV if it were the only one on earth. That, my ignoramous, is dominate (sic).
 
Interesting you point to a team that depended on freshman to come through in the clutch that failed as your example.

If this became a question of whether or not I think Tobias Harris will win the first NCAA championship for TN as a freshman I was not aware.

Clutch seniors almost all fail if you are saying you fail unless advance out of the elite 8.

John Wall was clutch, and the pathetic coaching of Calipari in the WVU game does not change that fact.

What all accounts are you reading that say Tobias will not be one and done? I think it remains a possibility, particularly if they rely on him as scoring option number 1 and he has an excellent season.

By the way, Hopson was clutch last night in the PRTL and I would not be surprised if the two McDonalds All Americans on the team both do well in late game situations this season.

Will Tobias Harris be hazed so much that he will not be reliable as a primary scorer for this basketball team? H to the no.

Should everyone who did not play D 1 basketball quit posting about it if they disagree with BPV because he played (on a terrible team)? Also no.

Is West Point harder to get into than Harvard or MIT? hahahahaha
 
Saying "you are ignorant" isnt calling me out. It actually points to your own stupidity if you can't even tell me what was so ignorant about my post.

A good idea for you would be to hit Google up or your nearest dictionary for the definition of ignorance.

Check back after that first assignment.
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I can tell you how you're ignorant. I played well beyond the 60s. That's not the end of the list, but absolute and irrefutable proof that sheer ignorance is a very comfortable spot for you when you post. There actually doesn't need to be any more. Posting from absolute ignorance is just a bad idea. It doesn't help when you have the mental capacity of a seven year old to double it down. Oh, I forget, you have like a 4 digit SAT score or something.

I've seen three idiots post standardized test scores to support their opinions here. You're one of them along with MHF and I can't think of four other posters here who would buy your POV if it were the only one on earth. That, my ignoramous, is dominate (sic).

Unless you are going to go back and edit your debacles from this thread, you should probably lay off the mocking people for typos schtick.

Show me where I ever posted any of my standardized test scores? It did not happen. Don't let facts get in the way of your rants.
 
Unless you are going to go back and edit your debacles from this thread, you should probably lay off the mocking people for typos schtick.



Show me where I ever posted any of my standardized test scores? It did not happen. Don't let facts get in the way of your rants.

It's not a typo there LSAT boy. It's a mistake he has made over and over and over and over. His huge SAT score didn't help him understand how to use the word. Maybe you'll eventually post something about which you know.

Your conversation around your huge LSAT scores that would have gotten you in anywhere yet you defaulted to crap U. The 15 points less commentary earning you a scholly somewhere also helps. It doesn't take much effort to walk through that. In fact, I've made no effort and never taken the LSAT, but know within about 5 points where you're saying you were. Fortunately for you, you've only broken it out about 47 times. Equally fortunately, it has massively enhanced the points you've been trying to bolster with it.
 
you haven't the faintest clue who offered me scholarships to play basketball. Not the faintest freaking clue. You also haven't the remotest idea when I played basketball nor any of the roles I played in basketball during my career or thereafter.

FYI, I played in this era, you proud to ignorant fool. I struggled to make HS teams, but they saw fit to recruit me to play ball, as did several other solid programs. Where did you play? Hell, for that matter, who's a decent coach you know or would even consider asking your opinion? Even further, did you go to college? Can you formulate reasonable thoughts? If so, could you revert to said ability here please.

I don't care who you played for, or who recruited you. If i'm ignorant because another poster alluded to the fact that you played basketball at Army in the 60s and you didn't correct him, then so be it. But it doesn't matter who I played for because I could make the HS team. I could probably make the Army team today, based on my ability not someone feeling sorry for me.
 
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I don't care who you played for, or who recruited you. If i'm ignorant because another poster alluded to the fact that you played basketball at Army in the 60s and you did'nt correct him, then so be it. But it doesn't matter who I played for because I could make the HS team. I could probably make the Army team today, based on my ability not someone feeling sorry for me.

You probably could. Coaches tend to be wowed by fantasyland SAT scores and blind ignorance.

Congrats on the HS squad. That's quite a cut line. Maybe you should have gone my route and pouted about it so someone who might educate you could have considered paying for you to play ball. Alas, you took the no education and no ball route. Odd.
 
Really? Almost the exact same thing. If you think that playing basketball at Army gives you some kind of leg up on knowledge of today's game, you are wrong. If you think that playing basketball at Army in the 60s means you were a good player wrong. A kid would have a hard time making his high school team with the abilities of 1960 Army basketball players. Maybe for that era you might have been decent. But by today's standards you were lousy.

This post makes you look like a fool. I wonder where Coach K played, when he played and who he played for? Oh yea Army in the '60's for Bob Knight.
 

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