VNs Big Thread of Deportation

[malinoisvol]

Correct me if I'm off base here, but I think the Haitians that were flown in are not going to be deported unless they have failed to meet asylum requirements and/or committed crime(s). I think judges will throw their cases out due to the fact that they were flown in at the invitation of the US government.

 

[volinbham]

How much is that going to cost? I'm OK with deporting illegals that have committed another crime, but I think going after the bold requires a lot of effort/resources/$, isn't good for the economy, and for what purpose? Just so we can follow the law? Nah. Gotta pick our battles. Once we've mastered the priority groups, let's worry about the groups that are actually good for us, on the net.

they wouldn't be the priority but if they are encountered seeking services or committing some crime it's not some big effort. if they are completely in the shadows then maybe no big deal but hard to see that is good for us on the net.

much also depends on our ability to have a secure border in terms of greatly limiting flow AND being able to find people once they come in. if that's done well enough then those that don't get on the government teet or commit crimes are mostly irrelevant.

my original intent with that particular group was those that would be in the "got away" group - people that have come over the board but we don't know who they are and they were not processed and turned lose.

 

[n_huffhines]

they wouldn't be the priority but if they are encountered seeking services or committing some crime it's not some big effort. if they are completely in the shadows then maybe no big deal but hard to see that is good for us on the net.

much also depends on our ability to have a secure border in terms of greatly limiting flow AND being able to find people once they come in. if that's done well enough then those that don't get on the government teet or commit crimes are mostly irrelevant.

my original intent with that particular group was those that would be in the "got away" group - people that have come over the board but we don't know who they are and they were not processed and turned lose.

Because they help the economy go round and often pay into SS and Medicare and don't collect. They indirectly pay property tax, directly pay sales tax, gas tax, etc. And then their children do really awesome on the net.

 

[volinbham]

Because they help the economy go round and often pay into SS and Medicare and don't collect. They indirectly pay property tax, directly pay sales tax, gas tax, etc. And then their children do really awesome on the net.

I understand the argument - not sure I agree it is a "net win" for us to have a defacto shadow citizenry even if there's a net economic benefit in the aggregate. More of a philosophical view than economic

 

[DinkinFlicka]

parents are given the option. the child can go back with the parents to the parent's home country, stay with legal family, or families willing to foster, or go into the child care system. just like a child whose parent's go to jail, being separated isn't out of the play book. and not sure why we would treat them better just because their parents broke a different set of rules.

I agree on the condition that our foster system needs some SERIOUS reupholstery.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Just cut illegals off from all government controlled benefits. No money, no hotels, no phones, no nothing...that includes for their children. Nothing, nada. Many will leave on their own then.

This ^^^^

Many come here for the free stuff. If they're here illegally, they get nothing.

 

[GroverCleveland]

So you deport US citizens who have broken no laws?

The question was very specific: should "illegal aliens ..." be deported to which the poster responded.

 

[utvolpj]

Should illegal aliens, who are the biological parents of American citizens, get an “exemption”?

The question was very specific: should "illegal aliens ..." be deported to which the poster responded.

You specifically left a part out

 

[GroverCleveland]

And become property of the state?

13th Amendment outlawed slavery, even for the government, although it is arguable the Federal government still effectively practices it.

The child can become a ward of the state or return with the parents. When the child wants, it can always return as a US citizen. In the meantime, they have whatever protections US citizenship confers on those living outside the US.

 

[GroverCleveland]

How much is that going to cost? I'm OK with deporting illegals that have committed another crime, but I think going after the bold requires a lot of effort/resources/$, isn't good for the economy, and for what purpose? Just so we can follow the law? Nah. Gotta pick our battles. Once we've mastered the priority groups, let's worry about the groups that are actually good for us, on the net.

Any significant amnesty is going to encourage more illegal immigration. It may sound brutal, but deport. Make arrangements for some form of legal entry, even if it means a week after leaving they are entering legally.

 

[GroverCleveland]

But that's a burden on local governments and not good for local governments (unless it's a criminal). I don't want my local PD enforcing immigration laws. We need them to be friends with the community, not enemies of the community. This presents all kinds of problems.

So we now pick and choose the laws we're going to enforce because some people have the feelz about it?

 

[GroverCleveland]

Where Trump failed in his first term on illegal immigration was he caved to R business interests on this issue, including CoC...

He needs to get this done.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I am sure the Biden/Harris administration under Mayorkas kept detailed records of each individual and has kept close tabs on their whereabouts.

Should take about a week.

Reminds me of a scene from The Water Diviner when the father, looking for his lost sons in Gallipoli after WW1 asks the Turks do they not have records. The Turkish officer in charge responds with "We're Turks, not Germans."

 

[GroverCleveland]

Correct me if I'm off base here, but I think the Haitians that were flown in are not going to be deported unless they have failed to meet asylum requirements and/or committed crime(s). I think judges will throw their cases out due to the fact that they were flown in at the invitation of the US government.

Then find the officials responsible and arrest them for conspiracy to avoid the laws of the United States.

 

[GroverCleveland]

You specifically left a part out

Yes, I did. So what?

 

[n_huffhines]

So we now pick and choose the laws we're going to enforce because some people have the feelz about it?

Not "now." Always. It's got nothing to do with feels. Welcome to the real world of constraints and tradeoffs.

Did you think we were nabbing everybody who jaywalks?

 

[VOLS INC.]

Walking across the street=Invading a sovereign nation.

 

[85SugarVol]

You specifically left a part out

Do children change the status of illegal aliens?

Or I guess the question remains - Should children change the status of illegal aliens?

 

[utvolpj]

Do children change the status of illegal aliens?

Or I guess the question remains - Should children change the status of illegal aliens?

Yes they change the discussion since they're children and citizens. These seem to be some of the least worrisome if we're ranking who should be targeted first

 

[ETV]

I saw a figure like 968B to deport everyone..didnt see if that was for ones in past 4 years or up to 30-40M, but calling BS on 5hat.
If they have been employeed for an x-numberof years, extend their stay,assumingno other irregularities.
Just impose massive employment fines and a substantial number probably return.

Ok. How much did the Biden administration spend on inbound flights for those entering the country? These flights took place daily over a 4 year span. Money was no object for them.

 

[FLVOL69]

Ok. How much did the Biden administration spend on inbound flights for those entering the country? These flights took place daily over a 4 year span. Money was no object for them.

It doesn't matter what it costs it's still going to be cheaper than what there doing now

 

[LittleVol]

Alright VN - let's talk deportation.

Should we even deport people who are here illegally? (YES)

Should we deport people who failed their asylum claim? (YES)

Should we deport someone awaiting asylum claims that has committed a felony while here? (YES)

Should we deport someone who didn't show up for their asylum evaluation? (YES)

Should we deport someone who was let it but had a violent criminal history coming in? (YES)

Should we deport someone we let in on an asylum claim that has yet to be adjudicated? (NO)

Should we deport someone that has overstayed their VISA? (YES)

What are the other categories?

I’m good with letting the majority of them stay, except for the gang members. Criminals.

But we just need to STOP Letting them in with no real process.

 

[norrislakevol]

Because they help the economy go round and often pay into SS and Medicare and don't collect. They indirectly pay property tax, directly pay sales tax, gas tax, etc. And then their children do really awesome on the net.

Hey, if they don't collect any government benefits at all, including benefits for their children if they have them, then yes, they are a benefit. We do need some migrant workers, everyone knows this. However, if they are raking in benefits, then that makes them a burden and we don't need them.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

It doesn't matter what it costs it's still going to be cheaper than what there doing now

Funny how all of a sudden they care about costs. Trump's wall would have been a drop in the ocean compared to what the open border policy has cost us. Cleaning up Puddinhead's dogshit will require a lot of baggies.

 

[FLVOL69]

It doesn't matter what it costs it's still going to be cheaper than what they're doing now

Funny how all of a sudden they care about costs. Trump's wall would have been a drop in the ocean compared to what the open border policy has cost us. Cleaning up Puddinhead's dogshit will require a lot of baggies.

They've been running trillion dollar deficit every 60/90 days for damn who knows how long now? drop in the bucket **** em