Vols in Nick King's final four

#76
#76
MemphisCanes said:
I expect Johnson and King to be Tigers, and Pastner will have some 'splaining if we don't get them. Nick King is a must, he is the best player at his position that we are in on. Johnson is a five star in some ratings, and if he goes elsewhere, the only thing that will console me is if we sign Keith Frazier out of Texas.
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That's who I figured you were counting. It'll definitely be interesting to see it all play out.
 
#80
#80
volnpowell said:
I was hoping we could get past men vs women salary, but I guess not.
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Part of this has to do with the lawsuit threats from some of the people in the Lady Vol program in the past who were suing to get the pay of their men's team counterparts. I forget the details of how it was settled, but we live in a society where lawsuits are necessary to protect people and ensure they get what they deserve BUT are also used to manipulate the system. I'm sure UT is careful to dance around that situation legally.
 
#81
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dlw4n said:
Part of this has to do with the lawsuit threats from some of the people in the Lady Vol program in the past who were suing to get the pay of their men's team counterparts. I forget the details of how it was settled, but we live in a society where lawsuits are necessary to protect people and ensure they get what they deserve BUT are also used to manipulate the system. I'm sure UT is careful to dance around that situation legally.
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Sometimes I wonder.
 
#83
#83
volnpowell said:
I hope you did not take me wrong, I was just surprised this situation is still a problem.:hi:
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Oh ok.

Yea I don't remember her name and don't wanna look it up, but the top assistant for women's got a smart around 200k this year. Webster, the men's top assistant, had a salary around the 150k gane if I recall correctly. He got a nice bump reported to be around 225k now.

I understand it, the men's team brings in how much more money than the women's? The men's team was succesful and coach Webster isn't an unknown he's a very proven assistant coach, the promotion and raise made sense.
 
#84
#84
bleedingTNorange said:
Oh ok.

Yea I don't remember her name and don't wanna look it up, but the top assistant for women's got a smart around 200k this year. Webster, the men's top assistant, had a salary around the 150k gane if I recall correctly. He got a nice bump reported to be around 225k now.

I understand it, the men's team brings in how much more money than the women's? The men's team was succesful and coach Webster isn't an unknown he's a very proven assistant coach, the promotion and raise made sense.
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I am also surprised Cuonzo Martin is 11th in the SEC in pay. I expect Dave Hart to invest more into basketball than that. Martin showed enough to be at least top 10 SEC imo.
 
#88
#88
zansdad said:
Will West agrees with you. Which is usually a good sign it's time to change opinions. j/k (about changing you opinion that is. I stand by Will West being an absolute tool)
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Quinn, all of kns and the sports animal agree with me too, fwiw.

I've beat it to death, but I'll just say this. We say UT is a top 5 job, and we were a top 5 team last year in the sec. Martin appears to be one of the top 5 most coveted coaches in the sec, so why are me not paying him like that.

It just appears like we aren't committed. Griff, I know I know, was saying yesterday, he guarantees its being used in negative recruitment. Coaches saying, look they aren't committed to bball, their coach is the 11th paid coach, he could leave any minute.

Also brought up hows CCM take this and react. If say big 10 teams come calling, an show their committment to bball like Illinois or purdue, and offer 2 million a year what happens? Sure UT can say well match, but has the damage already been done, does he say well NOW you wanna pay me where was the committment before?

I understand his resume may not deserve it, but to me he's worth a slight raise to show you're committed. I keep saying this, how many coaches in the SEC would you take over him, how many coaches would other SEC teams take over him, so what's his "worth"? To me he's top 5 IMO, I think other AD view him as top 5 in the SEC, so in turn his worth should be top 5 then.

Yet he's 11th...
 
#89
#89
zansdad said:
Will West agrees with you. Which is usually a good sign it's time to change opinions. j/k (about changing you opinion that is. I stand by Will West being an absolute tool)
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Will West is one of the only sports talk personalities in Knoxville capable of giving an objective view. He's a bit toolish, but he (and his partner, forget the guy's name) is leaps and bounds better than anyone else on WNML.
 
#90
#90
We should make the tournament, have a better record and show a lot more improvement from a year ago so I think he'll get a raise after this year. I'm sure he don't expect it with it being the first year on the job and it was more of a "i'll show you what I got" sort of thing. This year, I think we see that he's an even better coach than we thought and he'll get some money.

At least I hope.
 
#91
#91
Quinn thinks he was expecting one, that was the impression he got as to why it took so long, that was his opinion on the sports animal. Said he think CCMs agent was saying basically everything I just said, and wanted to see a committment to bball, but hart wouldn't give a raise.

TIFWIW
 
#93
#93
Its not a bad contract if you factor in all the bonuses. Plus it is now a signed contract not an mou. Plus he got Tracy Webster a raise and a promotion plus he got an extra yr added to the contract plus he got a new strength coach. And if he gets to the tourney this year he will garner a substantial raise next year. Its not that bad of a deal but Dave Hart better be prepared for a substantial increase for next year.
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#94
#94
rocky200663 said:
Its not a bad contract if you factor in all the bonuses. Plus it is now a signed contract not an mou. Plus he got Tracy Webster a raise and a promotion plus he got an extra yr added to the contract plus he got a new strength coach. And if he gets to the tourney this year he will garner a substantial raise next year. Its not that bad of a deal but Dave Hart better be prepared for a substantial increase for next year.
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The bonuses are factored in, it's 1.3 million ranking him 11th in the SEC. And it being a contract and not a MOU isn't exactly a big to do, it should be a contract that's kind of expected when you're hired somewhere. Also, I'm pretty sure he didnt get an extra year added, pretty sure the original agreement was 4 years which is what his contract is for.
 
#95
#95
bleedingTNorange said:
The bonuses are factored in, it's 1.3 million ranking him 11th in the SEC. And it being a contract and not a MOU isn't exactly a big to do, it should be a contract that's kind of expected when you're hired somewhere. Also, I'm pretty sure he didnt get an extra year added, pretty sure the original agreement was 4 years which is what his contract is for.
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#97
#97
rocky200663 said:
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according to the kns the bonuses are extra anot included in the base pay if 1.3 million. The signed contract is a better deal because it is more enforceable in court over an mou. Just ask Billy Gillespie ex my coach.
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#98
#98
MemphisCanes said:
Will West is one of the only sports talk personalities in Knoxville capable of giving an objective view. He's a bit toolish, but he (and his partner, forget the guy's name) is leaps and bounds better than anyone else on WNML.
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Imo, the only ones worse is Doc, Jeff, and Heather. Doc, Jeff, and Heather do not know more than you would hear at the barber shop and Will and West's idea of being objective is always on the low side or the negative side of expectations. They seem to enjoy reminding us fans that we have not been good for the past several years.:ermm:
 
#99
#99
rocky200663 said:
according to the kns the bonuses are extra anot included in the base pay if 1.3 million. The signed contract is a better deal because it is more enforceable in court over an mou. Just ask Billy Gillespie ex my coach.
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Yes billy was a rare exception to a guy never getting a contract. CCM wouldn't have stated much longer without a contract, as I said that's expected when you accept a job.

As far as bonuses, you must mean the incentives? Every coach has these once again not exactly an uncommon practice, actually it also is expected in a coaches contract.
 
#100
#100
bleedingTNorange said:
That's my opinion as well, but not many seen to agree.
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You don't get a pay raise for 6 months of higher than expected success and then not making the tournament. I think most of us think that CCM is one of the best 5-6 coaches in the SEC, but we don't exactly have the sample size yet to commit to a big raise. If he has a big year this year, that proves he's more than a flash in the pan and I would expect a raise in the works.

You are going to have to do something downright mystical to get a raise before the ink on your contract is even dry. That said, what Martin did was almost mystical. That's just a little too much to expect this early.
 
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