Vote by mail

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DancingOutlaw said:
If I can be trusted to vote by mail surely I can be trusted to receive a gun at my door.
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Why are you trying to make this about guns? Ok, I'll bite.... So if every voter who is voting by mail is qualified to vote and has registered and verified that they are qualified to vote, then let them vote by mail.

If someone wants to have a gun delivered to them, have them register, complete a background check and training qualifying them to own and operate such a weapon safely and responsibly. And have that person sign with a verified signature to receive that weapon. Then maybe that would work
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
No it wouldn't. Shred the votes from one side or the other and pull your votes out that was ready and stored.
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How are you going to do that when the ballots are opened in the same place a all the other ballots whether they are vote by mail or cast at a voting station?
 
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Think about this, at voting stations much of the "staff" are volunteers who are seniors. Perhaps their eye sight isn't as good at verifying photos and signatures as a computer. So just maybe voting stations are more suspect than vote by mail
 
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hog88 said:
LOL

Give me 2 minutes and I could passably forge your signature.
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I had a co-worker that would sign his name for check deposit with just a strange squiggly line. I laughed at him & asked how in the hell they knew that was his signature. He just smiled & said they know who that is......
 
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Here's how the Oregon mail in ballots are handled.

Vote by mail (VBM) packets are mailed to all eligible voters. Each packet contains a secrecy envelope, ballot return envelope and ballot. Ballots cannot be forwarded. Those ballots that are undeliverable are returned to the county election office. Any time after the ballots are mailed, if a registered voter has not received a ballot, the voter may call the county election office and request a replacement ballot. If the voter is qualified, the ballot will immediately be mailed.

Each ballot is checked upon return to its respective county election office. •Outer envelope signatures are verified using an electronic signature on computer, or by com- paring each signature by hand to the most current registration on file. •Voter signatures are verified on each return envelope. If a signature cannot be verified, the ballot is set aside for further investigation. If the envelope is not signed, an effort is made to contact the voter. •Once verified, the ballots are sorted by precinct. All outer envelopes are kept sealed until the Thursday before the election.

The county election boards begin opening the outer envelopes, one precinct at a time. • The secrecy envelope is separated from the outer envelope. • Outer envelopes are retained by precinct and serve as the “poll book.” • The secrecy envelope is opened. Election boards unfold and straighten the ballots. • Each ballot is pre-inspected to check for irregularities and prepared for the tallying process. Ballots are held for counting until election day
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Here's how the Oregon mail in ballots are handled.

Vote by mail (VBM) packets are mailed to all eligible voters. Each packet contains a secrecy envelope, ballot return envelope and ballot. Ballots cannot be forwarded. Those ballots that are undeliverable are returned to the county election office. Any time after the ballots are mailed, if a registered voter has not received a ballot, the voter may call the county election office and request a replacement ballot. If the voter is qualified, the ballot will immediately be mailed.

Each ballot is checked upon return to its respective county election office. •Outer envelope signatures are verified using an electronic signature on computer, or by com- paring each signature by hand to the most current registration on file. •Voter signatures are verified on each return envelope. If a signature cannot be verified, the ballot is set aside for further investigation. If the envelope is not signed, an effort is made to contact the voter. •Once verified, the ballots are sorted by precinct. All outer envelopes are kept sealed until the Thursday before the election.

The county election boards begin opening the outer envelopes, one precinct at a time. • The secrecy envelope is separated from the outer envelope. • Outer envelopes are retained by precinct and serve as the “poll book.” • The secrecy envelope is opened. Election boards unfold and straighten the ballots. • Each ballot is pre-inspected to check for irregularities and prepared for the tallying process. Ballots are held for counting until election day
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And since Oregon allows voters to register by party affiliation it's pretty easy to "lose" some envelopes that might not be voting the proper way.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Why are you trying to make this about guns? Ok, I'll bite.... So if every voter who is voting by mail is qualified to vote and has registered and verified that they are qualified to vote, then let them vote by mail.

If someone wants to have a gun delivered to them, have them register, complete a background check and training qualifying them to own and operate such a weapon safely and responsibly. And have that person sign with a verified signature to receive that weapon. Then maybe that would work
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Failing background checks and paying for training are things that will disproportionately affect poor and minority citizens. Why should they have to pay to exercise a right?
 
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hog88 said:
And since Oregon allows voters to register by party affiliation it's pretty easy to "lose" some envelopes that might not be voting the proper way.
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How is that any different or less safe from that type of thing than polling stations? I'd argue that it's safer as ballots are only opened at the county election board.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Why are you trying to make this about guns? Ok, I'll bite.... So if every voter who is voting by mail is qualified to vote and has registered and verified that they are qualified to vote, then let them vote by mail.

If someone wants to have a gun delivered to them, have them register, complete a background check and training qualifying them to own and operate such a weapon safely and responsibly. And have that person sign with a verified signature to receive that weapon. Then maybe that would work
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Why the need for the bolded out of curiosity? What are the checks and balances on the voting right method you suggest? Both are constitutional rights.

And I’d also submit on your voting method that the voter is the initiator of the ballot mailing and is the responsible party to insure it gets back to the voting officials. IE no harvesting only USPS or other prior vetted shipper.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Why the need for the bolded out of curiosity? What are the checks and balances on the voting right method you suggest? Both are constitutional rights.

And I’d also submit on your voting method that the voter is the initiator of the ballot mailing and is the responsible party to insure it gets back to the voting officials. IE no harvesting only USPS or other prior vetted shipper.
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I didn't bold that check my original post.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
How is that any different or less safe from that type of thing than polling stations? I'd argue that it's safer as ballots are only opened at the county election board.
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LOL

The county election officials have no freaking idea who I voted for, can't stop me from voting for anyone on the ballot if I'm there in person. BUT if I'm a registered party X and the county election official belongs to party Y it's pretty damn easy for them to lose my mail in ballot when they're checking my signature against my voter registration card.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
How does it open doors to fraud? Every ballot is signed by the voter who is registered to vote. The signatures have to match the voter registration signature. That's no different than voting in person. Oregon has been doing vote by mail for decades without fraud issues.

Restricting voter locations and forcing long lines at voting stations to discourage voters is more of a problem for having fair elections.
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54 cases of potential voter fraud discovered in Oregon from November election
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Why are you trying to make this about guns? Ok, I'll bite.... So if every voter who is voting by mail is qualified to vote and has registered and verified that they are qualified to vote, then let them vote by mail.

If someone wants to have a gun delivered to them, have them register, complete a background check and training qualifying them to own and operate such a weapon safely and responsibly. And have that person sign with a verified signature to receive that weapon. Then maybe that would work
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Agreed if we do the same for voters , set up a government panel, run background checks , have them verified like gun owners have to be with IDs , and then decide based off of their history if they have the right to vote or be turned down. Do we agree ?
 
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GoDucks349 said:
I didn't bold that check my original post.
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No I did. I’m asking you why you need checks and balances on one right but not the other. Why qualify one right but not the other.

Also since these are both individual rights the burden is on the citizen to initiate both transactions and insure themselves their voting ballot is properly transmitted to voting officials right? So no mass mailings and no ballot harvesting right?
 
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0nelilreb said:
Agreed if we do the same for voters , set up a government panel, run background checks , have them verified like gun owners have to be with IDs , and then decide based off of their history if they have the right to vote or be turned down. Do we agree ?
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He already totally ducked it ( get it?! 😂) when I asked
 
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GoDucks349 said:
How does it open doors to fraud? Every ballot is signed by the voter who is registered to vote. The signatures have to match the voter registration signature. That's no different than voting in person. Oregon has been doing vote by mail for decades without fraud issues.

Restricting voter locations and forcing long lines at voting stations to discourage voters is more of a problem for having fair elections.
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Our founding fathers would not want to cause anyone an issue by asking you to stand in a line. Not having to show someone a live person your identification to vote has and will always have the potential for fraud
 
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GoDucks349 said:
How does it open doors to fraud? Every ballot is signed by the voter who is registered to vote. The signatures have to match the voter registration signature. That's no different than voting in person. Oregon has been doing vote by mail for decades without fraud issues.

Restricting voter locations and forcing long lines at voting stations to discourage voters is more of a problem for having fair elections.
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I believe Vote by mail in Oregon was introduced in the early 80's and it's no coincidence that a republican presidential nominee has not won that State since 1984. Not being from Oregon I would ask when was the last time a republican won a statewide election in that state.
 
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