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#26
#26
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
no is what pj is saying is that trying to teach kids to keep their urges in check is stupid?
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actually you pretty much nailed it when talking about sex. I would much rather my kid know how to handle themselves than to jump in with no info other than "it's wrong". There is no amount of abstinence education that is going to sink in to a 16yo boy's head. Teaching him to handle the situation correctly will lead to better results in the long run. You think Palin's daughter ever learned how to properly use a condom?
 
#27
#27
utvolpj said:
actually you pretty much nailed it when talking about sex. I would much rather my kid know how to handle themselves than to jump in with no info other than "it's wrong". There is no amount of abstinence education that is going to sink in to a 16yo boy's head. Teaching him to handle the situation correctly will lead to better results in the long run. You think Palin's daughter ever learned how to properly use a condom?
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you might as well be giving your kids cocaine.
 
#28
#28
allvol123 said:
I can understand you point to a degree. But should I not teach my children to try and avoid mistakes I made? They may still make them, but should I not try and help them avoid them?

As with her, maybe she did a poor job of teaching her daughter. Or maybe she did a good job of teaching but her daughter still made the mistake. Either way, does it make the idea any less acceptable? To want kids not to have to go through what her daughter went through?
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of course it's reasonable but which method do you think the daughter is going to choose with her kid? The one her mom taught her which worked oh so well or the one that could have prevented a pregnancy?
 
#29
#29
BigPapaVol said:
you might as well be giving your kids cocaine.
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The wife and I have discussed it and feel it's best not to raise a wuss. We are going straight to shooting heroin on his 13th birthday. If he can handle that then he will be one tough SOB. If not, well, haven't really thought that far
 
#30
#30
utvolpj said:
actually you pretty much nailed it when talking about sex. I would much rather my kid know how to handle themselves than to jump in with no info other than "it's wrong". There is no amount of abstinence education that is going to sink in to a 16yo boy's head. Teaching him to handle the situation correctly will lead to better results in the long run. You think Palin's daughter ever learned how to properly use a condom?
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The best way is to teach the kid, because that is what a 16 yo is, a kid to control their urges. See is what shes doin is showin consequences. You tell a kid that its wrong, they may or may not listen, probably not, you show them the consequences then that will have a much much stronger impact. If you are like yes this is how you use a condom or whatever, then it gives the message that it is being condoned, or encouraged even,
 
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utvolpj said:
The wife and I have discussed it and feel it's best not to raise a wuss. We are going straight to shooting heroin on his 13th birthday. If he can handle that then he will be one tough SOB. If not, well, haven't really thought that far
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no need to think further. If he can't handle it, his brain will be fried and he'll want to have sex with anything that can breathe.
 
#33
#33
utvolpj said:
of course it's reasonable but which method do you think the daughter is going to choose with her kid? The one her mom taught her which worked oh so well or the one that could have prevented a pregnancy?
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I don't know which she will choose, maybe a combination of both. I don't know anything about what Sarah taught her daughter. Mrs. Pailn could have the right idea but be a failure in teaching it. There are many scenarios. Doesn't mean she can't support an idea even if she does not know how to teach it. I did not do very well in thermodynamics, certainly could not teach it but am sure it is a worthy idea to be taught.
 
#34
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utvolpj said:
of course it's reasonable but which method do you think the daughter is going to choose with her kid? The one her mom taught her which worked oh so well or the one that could have prevented a pregnancy?
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I understand and agree with your point. In my situation I will tell my kids that abstinence is the only 100% effective way to avoid pregnancy or disease.......however if you do have sex here is the way to minimize the risks.

This is the best way to handle the problem at hand, if you teach your kids one side of this issue without the other you are doing them a huge disservice.
 
#35
#35
utvolpj said:
The wife and I have discussed it and feel it's best not to raise a wuss. We are going straight to shooting heroin on his 13th birthday. If he can handle that then he will be one tough SOB. If not, well, haven't really thought that far
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Real men do cocaine and heroin, think big son!
 
#36
#36
allvol123 said:
I don't know which she will choose, maybe a combination of both. I don't know anything about what Sarah taught her daughter. Mrs. Pailn could have the right idea but be a failure in teaching it. There are many scenarios. Doesn't mean she can't support an idea even if she does not know how to teach it. I did not do very well in thermodynamics, certainly could not teach it but am sure it is a worthy idea to be taught.
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man, if you cant right a book on how to teach thermodynamics in theory and practice, then you cannot support it at all, you have to be against it, me personally i cannot tell you exactly how solid rocket fuel provides enough boost to break the earths gravitational force to get into space, therefore I am against it... it is the devil...
 
#37
#37
The problem is not the message of abstinence, the problem is the perceived soap box from which it is delivered.

A lack of self control absolutely moves both the economy and the social welfare system in this day and age. So, I will go against the tide and say the message of self control has some merit ( I say that with the complete understanding that 13-18 year old kids want nothing more in life than to get their tingles).
 
#38
#38
Lexvol said:
The problem is not the message of abstinence, the problem is the perceived soap box from which it is delivered.

A lack of self control absolutely moves both the economy and the social welfare system in this day and age. So, I will go against the tide and say the message of self control has some merit ( I say that with the complete understanding that 13-18 year old kids want nothing more in life than to get their tingles).
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exactly, thats why choice-consequence theory should be taught
 
#39
#39
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
exactly, thats why choice-consequence theory should be taught
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I agree. The schools don't need to be teaching kids how to put condoms on bananas. They need to teach young women how to hit guys in the nuts until they agree to put one on.

If someone cannot properly put a condom on without adequate instruction neither them or their offspring are going to survive very long anyway.
 
#40
#40
Lexvol said:
The problem is not the message of abstinence, the problem is the perceived soap box from which it is delivered.

A lack of self control absolutely moves both the economy and the social welfare system in this day and age. So, I will go against the tide and say the message of self control has some merit ( I say that with the complete understanding that 13-18 year old kids want nothing more in life than to get their tingles).
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Hmmm...to think that self control has some merit, is against the tide. I bet you are right though.
 
#41
#41
Lexvol said:
I agree. The schools don't need to be teaching kids how to put condoms on bananas. They need to teach young women how to hit guys in the nuts until they agree to put one on.

If someone cannot properly put a condom on without adequate instruction neither them or their offspring are going to survive very long anyway.
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in our rising nanny state, we are proving this untrue.
 
#42
#42
Lexvol said:
I agree. The schools don't need to be teaching kids how to put condoms on bananas. They need to teach young women how to hit guys in the nuts until they agree to put one on.

If someone cannot properly put a condom on without adequate instruction neither them or their offspring are going to survive very long anyway.
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yup... the way i deal with my kids, sure you do (action x) then be prepared for (consequence y) thats how their minds work, its very simplisitic,
 
#45
#45
BigPapaVol said:
what is this theory? Is it the fact that choices, good and bad, have consequences, good and bad? If so, it's not a theory.
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as far as implemntation in a curriculumn its "theory" to me its common sense. Instead of setting extenseive rules etc, you set action-consequence type environment, it teaches the kids to own their actions, and often times think "if i do this, then this will happen"
 
#46
#46
This lack of self control and the stamp of "ok" does move society as Lex suggests. Just look at it, fat people can't stop eating. They can't resist these urges, so ok it, then tell me how I am supposed to pay for their healthcare. It is our obligation.
 
#47
#47
Lexvol said:
If someone cannot properly put a condom on without adequate instruction neither them or their offspring are going to survive very long anyway.
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or they will simply outbreed the ones who can and take over.
 
#49
#49
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
as far as implemntation in a curriculumn its "theory" to me its common sense. Instead of setting extenseive rules etc, you set action-consequence type environment, it teaches the kids to own their actions, and often times think "if i do this, then this will happen"
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I can't understand for the life of my why this is some theory that needs to be taught. All but the stupidest of people understand this. Even animals begin to understand that playing with porcupines is a problem.
 
#50
#50
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
as far as implemntation in a curriculumn its "theory" to me its common sense. Instead of setting extenseive rules etc, you set action-consequence type environment, it teaches the kids to own their actions, and often times think "if i do this, then this will happen"
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Know about the story of the group of teenagers in Mass. that took a "pregnancy vow" after seeing how glamorized (in their minds) Juno made teen pregnancy?

No amount of education or action/reaction lessons will prevent a stupid kid from becoming enamored with what is viewed as cool in their mind.
 
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