War in Ukraine

[Pacer92]

If you arent willing to accept pseudo state media why would we accept state media?

Accept? Don’t you think it interesting to hear both sides…or just one?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Accept? Don’t you think it interesting to hear both sides…or just one?

Not if the other side is just stating clear falsehoods that never are verified. That’s just propaganda. In this case I couldn’t find a single mention of it. But I did find several referencing the Russian missile attack yesterday where Pootin took credit for killing three Ukraine generals and several officers WHILE the attack was occurring before any BDA could occur. He’s a regular Nostradumbass!

 

[Pacer92]

Actually no I don’t consider her a trusty worthy source either since she was literally a recent admin press secretary. So big time fail there champ!

My point exactly…

Where do we find the truth? Those outlets you named are just as much western mouthpieces as RT is a mouthpiece for the RF…probably more so.

 

[NorthDallas40]

My point exactly…

Where do we find the truth? Those outlets you named are just as much western mouthpieces as RT is a mouthpiece for the RF…probably more so.

Oh no they aren’t champ! Rejected! Even the BBC is a publicly funded independent national broadcaster. The oldest in existence in fact. It’s laughable to mention RT or TASS in the same breath with those I listed. Especially the BBC.

 

[Pacer92]

Not if the other side is just stating clear falsehoods that never are verified. That’s just propaganda. In this case I couldn’t find a single mention of it. But I did find several referencing the Russian missile attack yesterday where Pootin took credit for killing three Ukraine generals and several officers WHILE the attack was occurring before any BDA could occur. He’s a regular Nostradumbass!

How do you know they are falsehoods or not verified?

I don’t believe everything coming from Russian media…I believe even less coming from western media.

 

[Pacer92]

Oh no they aren’t champ! Rejected! Even the BBC is a publicly funded independent national broadcaster. The oldest in existence in fact. It’s laughable to mention RT or TASS in the same breath with those I listed. Especially the BBC.

Dude…

 

[NorthDallas40]

How do you know they are falsehoods or not verified?

I don’t believe everything coming from Russian media…I believe even less coming from western media.

Well I looked for your article and couldn’t find confirmation. That’s a crazy way I know but it’s effective than just taking RT at its word.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Dude…

The BBC is most closely organized like TVA. And yes it’s the oldest media outlet in existence. Our NPR is way more beholding to the Feds.

 

[Pacer92]

Well I looked for your article and couldn’t find confirmation. That’s a crazy way I know but it’s effective than just taking RT at its word.

I just posted the link. I’d be elated to find out that 500 lives weren’t lost…

 

[NorthDallas40]

I just posted the link. I’d be elated to find out that 500 lives weren’t lost…

I think you can sleep easy tonight that those 500 Ukrainian soldiers are as safe as the three generals Pootin claimed to have killed.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Russia is about to wrap up The Donbas. They have about 2500 Ukrainians encircled at Lysychansk and will like be encircling/engaging a set of troops in Kramatorsk. Once these groups are dealt with, those would be the majority of the Ukrainians elite forces.

I believe you've been making that claim for about three months now.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I believe you've been making that claim for about three months now.

Going on four months now

 

[AM64]

I haven't seen much on Ukraine lately and it seems like a heavy read. What does this war look like right now? Is it a stalemate?

Like a Russian novel - long, slow, with a lot of characters.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Western Move to Choke Russia’s Oil Exports Boomerangs, for Now

 

[MontyPython]

 

[MontyPython]

HIMARS systems now in Ukraine, per US.

 

[MontyPython]

 

[LouderVol]

Accept? Don’t you think it interesting to hear both sides…or just one?

Interesting as in reading pure fiction, sure. Actually learning much of anything. Not really. You dont ever offer any qualifiers, "this is a russian source so they are probably exaggerating their numbers, but here is some more info".

Reading it is not the problem. Buying into is. You dont accept one source and offer up another and then want to pretend like your source was randomly picked out of a hat and is a better alternative.

You could easily go to actual third parties. Chinese state media is interesting, because they throw out the good and the bad. Indian and african sources as well. Heck even some of the old Soviet bloc offer unique views depending on how much pressure putin puts on them. You can actively gauge it by reading them for a couple weeks.

But none of you offer any real balance. I dont care that they quote bull ***t if you quote horse ***t. Offer some actual balanced media or stories and then you can rightly complain about the propaganda they are buying.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Has anyone figured out what blackmail material the Ukrainians have on the Biden family that would explain our actions in regard to this conflict?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Or is it simple stupidity like the Afghanistan withdrawal

 

[FLVOL_79]

If that is supposed to be a clever shot at me, it misses the mark a bit. I've never campaigned for, muchless celebrated Juneteenth in my life, nor do I know of many/any blacks before last year that celebrated, and I don't remember any campaign that requested it to be a holiday.

Also, my comment was in direct response to @MG1968 and his dismissive comment about the Rape of Nanking over 70 years ago and not being outraged at Japanese today, yet oddly we still hold Russia out as serial racists because of the Berlin rapes. I'm not condoning or defending either situation, I'm merely pointing out the double standard.

when has Japan invaded a country and committed mass rape against women, men, and children, since WW2?

Now for your answer..when has Russia?
(Hint: it's real recent...)

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Wait until Russians see these things come charging at them through the forest. I suspect Ukrainians will put them to excellent real world testing.

 

[Septic]

Russia, a former military power, is barely inching their way across the most pro Russian portion of a country at the cost of tens of thousands of their soldiers.

This is a disaster for the West.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

Wait until Russians see these things come charging at them through the forest. I suspect Ukrainians will put them to excellent real world testing.

I actually lol'ed when reading this for some reason

 

[Pacer92]

Interesting as in reading pure fiction, sure. Actually learning much of anything. Not really. You dont ever offer any qualifiers, "this is a russian source so they are probably exaggerating their numbers, but here is some more info".

Reading it is not the problem. Buying into is. You dont accept one source and offer up another and then want to pretend like your source was randomly picked out of a hat and is a better alternative.

You could easily go to actual third parties. Chinese state media is interesting, because they throw out the good and the bad. Indian and african sources as well. Heck even some of the old Soviet bloc offer unique views depending on how much pressure putin puts on them. You can actively gauge it by reading them for a couple weeks.

But none of you offer any real balance. I dont care that they quote bull ***t if you quote horse ***t. Offer some actual balanced media or stories and then you can rightly complain about the propaganda they are buying.

Qualifiers?! It’s not my duty to offer this. That’s one of the reasons I don’t post much in here anymore…the emotional recoil becomes the whole discussion.

I’ve offered numerous alternative/independent links over the years…and the complaint is that it’s not “mainstream” enough. Every article concerning this war could be scrutinized for lack of truth, on both sides. Scrutinize all you want…believe what you want…but don’t expect people to appease you or your prejudice..

Multiple trusted independent sources that have real knowledge of the situation have been blocked on Twitter, FB, etc…mainly because they’re reporting Russia is winning, which they are..