War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

No empirical evidence? The only potential metric cited throughout the entire article was Europe's plan to substitute energy imports from Russia. The rest was an opinion piece that lacked criteria for what constitutes victory or defeat in one of many domains of this conflict, and in this particular instance referring to the effects of Sanctions. This piece made no mention of the impact of the Russian economy and it current performance. The impact of Russia being cutoff from SWIFT or any of the other sanctions. It just basically said that Ukraine lost as a generalization. Without quantifiable information, I might as well let my 15 year old right this opinion piece.

Modern warfare is a multi-domain fight. Its not just kinetic or attacking a system of systems (Economic or global/regional influence). The measure of victory or defeat is measure across all domains. That's what this article failed to do.

What else really needs to be said about the Russian economy right now? It speaks for itself. It is not crippled or looking at galloping inflation or souring energy prices. The only thing that is finding difficulty is being able to buy McDonald's, BMWs and IKEA stuff. Outside of that, Ruusia has a real economy and they are trading partners with China and India. They are fine. This should be pretty obvious by now. The sanctions were a fool's errand. The West (specifically Western Europe) are in free fall and they are trying desperately to replace Russian oil and gas.

You seen like a smart guy in here. Do you really not understand where we are right now? Or are you one of these people that are so blinded by your hate for Russia that you are unable to acknowledge the truth? These clowns like Biden, Boris Johnson, Olaf Schulz, and von der Leyen are incompetent fools that would rather sink Western economies instead of admitting defeat and changing course. Diplomacy is not in their tool bag. Only applying more pressure... or perceived pressure. Meanwhile, the citizens in their countries suffer austere conditions.

 

[SergeantVol]

When did Iran call for the extermination of Israel? Or are you running your mouth about a gross mistranslation of what Ahmadinejad allegedly said 15 or so years ago?

Every large protest. Every ballistic missile test where the target is a star of david. Every time they fund Hezbollah and Hamas. It's probably better to ask when dont they say death to Israel.

More specifically:
1979
1982
1985
Almost the entire 1990s
2005
2006
2007
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2020
2021
2022

All the above years also had conflict between Israel, the IRGC, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the PLO.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Criticism of Putin doesn’t equal hatred of Russians.

I don't know about that. Hitler didn't ban Jesse Owen's from 1936 Berlin Olympics, but Wimbledon sure did do a number this year on Russians. Plus, most of you guys would rather see the people in Donbas suffer under a govt they don't agree with rather than allowing them to live free in lands that they have lived in for generations.

 

[SergeantVol]

What else really needs to be said about the Russian economy right now? It speaks for itself. It is not crippled or looking at galloping inflation or souring energy prices. The only thing that is finding difficulty is being able to buy McDonald's, BMWs and IKEA stuff. Outside of that, Ruusia has a real economy and they are trading partners with China and India. They are fine. This should be pretty obvious by now. The sanctions were a fool's errand. The West (specifically Western Europe) are in free fall and they are trying desperately to replace Russian oil and gas.

You seen like a smart guy in here. Do you really not understand where we are right now? Or are you one of these people that are so blinded by your hate for Russia that you are unable to acknowledge the truth? These clowns like Biden, Boris Johnson, Olaf Schulz, and von der Leyen are incompetent fools that would rather sink Western economies instead of admitting defeat and changing course. Diplomacy is not in their tool bag. Only applying more pressure... or perceived pressure. Meanwhile, the citizens in their countries suffer austere conditions.

Thanks for the complement on my intellect. As such, facts speak for themselves. Numbers dont lie. I receive tons of information about what is going on in Ukraine as I work for Department of the Army in an intelligence capacity. From what I have seen, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Sanctions havent had quite the impact that the west thought they would but at the same time, life has become more difficult for the people of Russia and some of the industry despite trade deals with China and India. From a more tactical perspective, a military like Russia should have already achieved victory. I know there is a ton of excuses out there but I am buying none of it. I know what the military of a superpower is capable of. I have seen it first hand over 22 years of service in multiple theaters.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Every large protest. Every ballistic missile test where the target is a star of david. Every time they fund Hezbollah and Hamas. It's probably better to ask when dont they say death to Israel.

More specifically:
1979
1982
1985
Almost the entire 1990s
2005
2006
2007
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2020
2021
2022

All the above years also had conflict between Israel, the IRGC, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the PLO.

1979 was partially some blowback from the 1953 coup by the CIA and British intelligence. 25 years of the Shah's rule and then when The Shah became expendable and inconvenient to defend, then they brought in some random cleric from France to take over. It got a bit out of hand and then you have 444 days of hostages... which was political theater. Because the day Reagan is inaugurated, they are miraculously released. Not that it was Reagan that played a role in their release, but the fact that this was clearly a politically orchestrated action.

And you act as though the Israelis are just innocent sheep surrounded by wolves when any honest person can admit that the Israelis have done plenty to earn every bit of animosity they have in the region.

 

[SergeantVol]

In before @Rasputin_Vol says this is fake news....

 

[SergeantVol]

1979 was partially some blowback from the 1953 coup by the CIA and British intelligence. 25 years of the Shah's rule and then when The Shah became expendable and inconvenient to defend, then they brought in some random cleric from France to take over. It got a bit out of hand and then you have 444 days of hostages... which was political theater. Because the day Reagan is inaugurated, they are miraculously released. Not that it was Reagan that played a role in their release, but the fact that this was clearly a politically orchestrated action.

And you act as though the Israelis are just innocent sheep surrounded by wolves when any honest person can admit that the Israelis have done plenty to earn every bit of animosity they have in the region.

Never said the Israelis were innocent. But in light of your adversary calling for your annihilation and funding terrorist organization to attack and kill your citizens, what choices do you have left? If it was Russia that was dealing with Ukrainian terrorist groups, you'd be justifying Russia invading and annexing Ukraine. Kind sounds like Russia's justification expect the terrorist groups are made up....

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Thanks for the complement on my intellect. As such, facts speak for themselves. Numbers dont lie. I receive tons of information about what is going on in Ukraine as I work for Department of the Army in an intelligence capacity. From what I have seen, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Sanctions havent had quite the impact that the west thought they would but at the same time, life has become more difficult for the people of Russia and some of the industry despite trade deals with China and India. From a more tactical perspective, a military like Russia should have already achieved victory. I know there is a ton of excuses out there but I am buying none of it. I know what the military of a superpower is capable of. I have seen it first hand over 22 years of service in multiple theaters.

They haven't achieved victory because they are going in a very methodical manner. You do realize this, right? Whether you want to call them ethnic Russians or Russian speakers or simply call them Russian sympathizers, the fact remains that Russia could not go in to Donbas with a shock and awe/Sherman to Atlanta assault. They are trying to minimize the amount of human casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure. This will make it easier for the natives to return and less expensive to rebuild. Unfortunately, Mariupol is the worst of the bunch, but in these other areas, the damage should not be nearly as bad.

Also, you should not rely on American or British intelligence so much... especially since they gave us Iraqi WMDs/Niger yellow cake, The Steele Dossier, and just recently and what I just posted the erroneous info about the strength and resilience of the Russian economy.

Russia will be fine. If you are honest, can you say the same about us here in the US right now?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Never said the Israelis were innocent. But in light of your adversary calling for your annihilation and funding terrorist organization to attack and kill your citizens, what choices do you have left? If it was Russia that was dealing with Ukrainian terrorist groups, you'd be justifying Russia invading and annexing Ukraine. Kind sounds like Russia's justification expect the terrorist groups are made up....

You never answered my question... when did Iran call for Israel's annihilation? Or again, are you running off of a misinterpretation?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Never said the Israelis were innocent. But in light of your adversary calling for your annihilation and funding terrorist organization to attack and kill your citizens, what choices do you have left? If it was Russia that was dealing with Ukrainian terrorist groups, you'd be justifying Russia invading and annexing Ukraine. Kind sounds like Russia's justification expect the terrorist groups are made up....

Made up? NATO has shown they're gangster in Serbia and Libya. You dqmn well know that Ukraine and Georgia entering NATO was a redline. No different than if Mexico or Cuba joined a military alliance with Russia or China.

 

[SergeantVol]

They haven't achieved victory because they are going in a very methodical manner. You do realize this, right? Whether you want to call them ethnic Russians or Russian speakers or simply call them Russian sympathizers, the fact remains that Russia could not go in to Donbas with a shock and awe/Sherman to Atlanta assault. They are trying to minimize the amount of human casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure. This will make it easier for the natives to return and less expensive to rebuild. Unfortunately, Mariupol is the worst of the bunch, but in these other areas, the damage should not be nearly as bad.

Also, you should not rely on American or British intelligence so much... especially since they gave us Iraqi WMDs/Niger yellow cake, The Steele Dossier, and just recently and what I just posted the erroneous info about the strength and resilience of the Russian economy.

Russia will be fine. If you are honest, can you say the same about us here in the US right now?

There's those excuses I referenced earlier. Let's pretend I don't know anything about combat and military operations for a second. Let's pretend I don't have advanced degrees in international relations. We will look at your excuse. If Russia cared out infrastructure and the civilian populace, why have they leveled cities? Not just neighborhoods where people live, which they have done a lot of. Why have they destroyed bridges, roads, railways, and factories? Is that just all made up? I guess all the pictures and videos were staged, right? As of early May, estimates were that 30% of Ukraine's infrastructure has been destroyed by the Russian military. That's excluding all the residential areas that they leveled while people were still inside those buildings.

 

[SergeantVol]

Made up? NATO has shown they're gangster in Serbia and Libya. You dqmn well know that Ukraine and Georgia entering NATO was a redline. No different than if Mexico or Cuba joined a military alliance with Russia or China.

Most responsible countries would have engaged in diplomacy before military action. Guess what Russia did first?

 

[SergeantVol]

You never answered my question... when did Iran call for Israel's annihilation? Or again, are you running off of a misinterpretation?

I gave you the exact years. And as recently as this year. Every time there is a protest or discussion about Iran's nuclear program, they slip in the death to Israel.

 

[SergeantVol]

Most recently May 22, 2022.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Speaking from experience, you put their upper body in a barrel and it is a lot easier.

Wait that was pigs and a bucket.

 

[SergeantVol]

Here's the article from a non-western source https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...o-israel/00000180-f6cb-d18b-a787-f7ebcb4c0000

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

This thread is a cluster****.

 

[SergeantVol]

This thread is a cluster****.

Its ya boy Ras trying to do mental gymnastics...

 

[DonjoVol]

Criticism of Putin doesn’t equal hatred of Russians.

I never said it did

 

[DonjoVol]

When did Iran call for the extermination of Israel? Or are you running your mouth about a gross mistranslation of what Ahmadinejad allegedly said 15 or so years ago?

These guys are probably unaware that there are Jews still living in Iran to this day.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Its ya boy Ras trying to do mental gymnastics...

I think it has more to do with people taking opposite sides in a conflict that has nothing to do with them.

 

[SergeantVol]

I think it has more to do with people taking opposite sides in a conflict that has nothing to do with them.

I'm a seeker of the truth. I am on the side of facts and historical accuracy. I dislike when people because blinded by allegiance or ideology.I could really give 2 squirts what happens there. I just stay up with current events and analyze the situation.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There's those excuses I referenced earlier. Let's pretend I don't know anything about combat and military operations for a second. Let's pretend I don't have advanced degrees in international relations. We will look at your excuse. If Russia cared out infrastructure and the civilian populace, why have they leveled cities?

They have only really leveled on city and I clear mentioned Mariupol. Or did you not read my f^^king reply? They only did that because the Azov clowns and other Ukrainian forces were hiding in civilian buildings. I posted on the ground stories at the time that clearly showed this, but I guess that was considered Russian propaganda.

Not just neighborhoods where people live, which they have done a lot of. Why have they destroyed bridges, roads, railways, and factories? Is that just all made up?

I'm sure that has gone on. I also sure that if that went on, there were Ukrainians and Azov clowns held up in these areas.

Keep in mind that the Russians have mostly stayed away from bombing civil targets like utilities. Kiev, Kharkiv and pretty much the areas outside of Donbas are still functioning close to normal. The Donbas region is what is suffering the most, but in particular Mariupol. And they are already going back there to start the reconstruction.

I guess all the pictures and videos were staged, right?

Meh, not all, but a significant amount of the damage has been fabricated. Look, I'm not saying the Russians have not done damage. I'm saying that their intentions are not to go in and just level a place that they intend on rescuing/liberating.

As of early May, estimates were that 30% of Ukraine's infrastructure has been destroyed by the Russian military. That's excluding all the residential areas that they leveled while people were still inside those buildings.

Possibly. I know they have done damage to the rail system substations to prevent arms from coming from Poland and I know that in Donbas the shelling has been very heavy, particularly in Mariupol.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Most responsible countries would have engaged in diplomacy before military action. Guess what Russia did first?

Russia tried 8 years of diplomacy with the Minsk ceasefire agreements you genius!! Why do you ignore the Minsk agreements? France and Germany were the co-sponsors of the deal. They tried for 8 years. And you know damn well that 8 years is more than enough time. Hell, in 2008, they only waited 8 seconds to move in on Georgia.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I gave you the exact years. And as recently as this year. Every time there is a protest or discussion about Iran's nuclear program, they slip in the death to Israel.

I never saw a quote from a state official saying death to Israel.