War in Ukraine

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SergeantVol said:
Its ya boy Ras trying to do mental gymnastics...
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Mental gymnastics? I'm only laying out the plain facts. You guys are the ones using every excuse in the book to condemn Russia for doing the exact same thing the US, UK, Israel or KSA (and Turkey) would do if placed in the exact same situation.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They have only really leveled on city and I clear mentioned Mariupol. Or did you not read my f^^king reply? They only did that because the Azov clowns and other Ukrainian forces were hiding in civilian buildings. I posted on the ground stories at the time that clearly showed this, but I guess that was considered Russian propaganda.


I'm sure that has gone on. I also sure that if that went on, there were Ukrainians and Azov clowns held up in these areas.

Keep in mind that the Russians have mostly stayed away from bombing civil targets like utilities. Kiev, Kharkiv and pretty much the areas outside of Donbas are still functioning close to normal. The Donbas region is what is suffering the most, but in particular Mariupol. And they are already going back there to start the reconstruction.


Meh, not all, but a significant amount of the damage has been fabricated. Look, I'm not saying the Russians have not done damage. I'm saying that their intentions are not to go in and just level a place that they intend on rescuing/liberating.


Possibly. I know they have done damage to the rail system substations to prevent arms from coming from Poland and I know that in Donbas the shelling has been very heavy, particularly in Mariupol.
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So far Russia has thoroughly shelled and destroyed large portions of the following cities to include medical facilities in these areas:
- Kharikiv
- Mariupol
- lysychansk
- Bila Tservka
- Borodyanka
- Sumy
- Outskirts of Kyiv
- Severdonetsk
- Irpin
- Belgorod
and many others. They have also hit refineries, grocery stores, shopping malls, communication towers.... sounds like they want all the infrastructure in place....
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Mental gymnastics? I'm only laying out the plain facts. You guys are the ones using every excuse in the book to condemn Russia for doing the exact same thing the US, UK, Israel or KSA (and Turkey) would do if placed in the exact same situation.
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Ah yes. Whataboutism. So because another country may do some of this stuff, its justification for Russia to do so?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Mental gymnastics? I'm only laying out the plain facts. You guys are the ones using every excuse in the book to condemn Russia for doing the exact same thing the US, UK, Israel or KSA (and Turkey) would do if placed in the exact same situation.
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Also, you have presented nothing but opinion. Fact would have empirical evidence devoid of opinion and emotion, much less logical fallacies like whataboutisms and appeals to emotion.
 
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SergeantVol said:
Also, you have presented nothing but opinion. Fact would have empirical evidence devoid of opinion and emotion, much less logical fallacies like whataboutisms and appeals to emotion.
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I've posted facts and evidence. Just because it is inconvenient to you, that is your issue. I've posted over 8 years of evidence in the 2 Ukraine threads.
 
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If we want to get more specific, after the death of Gen. Solemani, the Iranian government called for death to Israel. That was just a couple years ago and part of an official statement that spelled it out. Even though all recent statements called for revenge and retaliation against Israel for the death of Iranian scientists and military leaders. Didnt think I needed to spell that out for you.
 
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SergeantVol said:
If we want to get more specific, after the death of Gen. Solemani, the Iranian government called for death to Israel. That was just a couple years ago and part of an official statement that spelled it out. Even though all recent statements called for revenge and retaliation against Israel for the death of Iranian scientists and military leaders. Didnt think I needed to spell that out for you.
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Did the Iranian head of state say that or was it some random azz official or street protesters? Either way, if there is one thing that I did not agree with Trump on was his decision to assassinate a foreign general.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What?? Clean up that sentence so I can answer it.
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I could say the same on most of your posts.

When a general or a scientist is killed, and the Iranian government calls for revenge or retaliation, what would you call that? Is the revenge tactic or retaliation tactic to throw puppies and kittens at them?

You can tell who is losing an argument when you attack grammar or attempt to strawman by saying something was explicitly said when the average person could infer what is going on. I am still waiting on your empirical evidence to support your argument. Which I am going to assume that you dont have because it doesnt exist.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Did the Iranian head of state say that or was it some random azz official or street protesters? Either way, if there is one thing that I did not agree with Trump on was his decision to assassinate a foreign general.
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So now unless its the head of state, it doesnt count?!? Sounds like youre shifting the goalposts. Another weak argument tactic when you dont have facts.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Did the Iranian head of state say that or was it some random azz official or street protesters? Either way, if there is one thing that I did not agree with Trump on was his decision to assassinate a foreign general.
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Even if that foreign general was responsible for the propagation of terrorism and the employment of such technology as Explosively Formed Projectiles in a conflict he had nothing to do with? You do know that the IRGC Quds Force is a terrorist organization and they conduct such operations a IED strikes on civilians, Kidnapping, Murder, Rape, Torture, and many other heinous crimes against humanity, right?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Did the Iranian head of state say that or was it some random azz official or street protesters? Either way, if there is one thing that I did not agree with Trump on was his decision to assassinate a foreign general.
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Do you deliberately not pay attention to geopolitics or is having your head in the sand an accident?
 
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SergeantVol said:
Anecdotes are not considered factual pieces of evidence.
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I've posted far more than anecdotes sir. And all things being equal, my info has turned out to be far more reliable as time goes on than anything counter to me. Obviously, I'm human and I can't get everything right. But check my resume... since 2014, I've been right about 90% of this. And 90% is being pretty tough on myself. The one thing I will admit that I got wrong was that I did not believe that Russia was going to attack in February. I strongly based that opinion on what 3elensky was saying leading up to that point vs whatever B8den was saying at the time. I had no idea 3elensky was as mendacious and corrupt as he was. I also did not know that the Ukrainians were planning a late February/ early March siege on the Donbas that the Russians ended up disrupting. That is why the majority of Ukraine's best troops ended up getting encircled in Donbas very early in the conflict.
 
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SergeantVol said:
I could say the same on most of your posts.

When a general or a scientist is killed, and the Iranian government calls for revenge or retaliation, what would you call that? Is the revenge tactic or retaliation tactic to throw puppies and kittens at them?

You can tell who is losing an argument when you attack grammar or attempt to strawman by saying something was explicitly said when the average person could infer what is going on. I am still waiting on your empirical evidence to support your argument. Which I am going to assume that you dont have because it doesnt exist.
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No. I really did not understand what you were saying. I have no problem going back and forth with you. You simply show that you have a disdain for Russia and rely far too much on American/Western media and intelligence.
 
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