War in Ukraine

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LSU-SIU said:
We're going to have to see how the winter and the following years work out. I would say the prices they are paying is not sustainable for economic growth. Nothing is a given, only a possibility.

You kind of act like a person that needs a tampon, none of this is going to be solved anytime soon.

Maybe put the mouse/keyboard down for awhile, I assure you the chances of this all getting solved today is pretty close to ZERO.

Ukraine will continue to be turned into a parking lot, commodities prices especially those paid by Germany will probably continue to be high... wait and see how it impacts their economy in the months or years ahead.

Its all about costs.
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LMAO you bounce around from RESET RESET RESET to now we just have to wait and see. You’re clueless. 😂
 
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LouderVol said:
And they still would be if they were part of NATO.

The only way Ukraine being part of NATO makes a difference in a nuclear war is if NATO launches an all out nuke offensive first that takes out all of Russia/Russian nukes. As long as the Russians are able to get off any nukes they could still hit Ukraine.

The only reason Russia would need to use nukes would be in case either the west used them first, in which case Ukraine doesnt matter; or they are losing/being pushed backed. Which we have been assured multiple times is impossible because Russia is clearly toying with NATO in Ukraine, and the west is a spent force about to collapse.
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You're making this very complicated when its not.

Ukraine is the neutral area, they shouldn't have troops in it from any side. If Ukraine is a part of NATO than they are NATO troops in the Ukraine. Those troops are free to invade Russia's border without a place for Russia to drop its tactical nukes.

Matter of fact, many in Congress in the late 90s were wondering why the US was investing so much in battle armor for Europe when the map had already been drawn to where Russia would simply drop tactical nukes.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Russia has very little reason to negotiate at this point, the United States ****ed that all up. They will wait to see how Germany does over the winter. Continue to throw dog **** and turn the place into a parking lot.
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Russia isn't turning anything into a parking lot, they are doing nothing but wasting Russian lives and treasure. Yes, they may end up winning this war but at what expense?
 
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hog88 said:
Russia isn't turning anything into a parking lot, they are doing nothing but wasting Russian lives and treasure. Yes, they may end up winning this war but at what expense?
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It’s already a Pyrrhic victory at best. If they screw around and lose Crimea then they straight up got their asses kicked. But I’d guess Russia will actually fight for Crimea as many Russian military live there now and their families are there.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
We're going to have to see how the winter and the following years work out. I would say the prices they are paying is not sustainable for economic growth. Nothing is a given, only a possibility.

You kind of act like a person that needs a tampon, none of this is going to be solved anytime soon.

Maybe put the mouse/keyboard down for awhile, I assure you the chances of this all getting solved today is pretty close to ZERO.

Ukraine will continue to be turned into a parking lot, commodities prices especially those paid by Germany will probably continue to be high... wait and see how it impacts their economy in the months or years ahead.

Its all about costs.
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Why germany specifically? And why would hurting Germany be a particular goal?

Like I said, in order to avoid WWII they are redoing WWI thought processes. Which will just lead to the next WWII.
 
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hog88 said:
Russia isn't turning anything into a parking lot, they are doing nothing but wasting Russian lives and treasure. Yes, they may end up winning this war but at what expense?
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I would say its half way to being a parking lot, they'll keep throwing dog **** until it is i.e. escalation.

Yes, they may end up winning this war but at what expense?
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Like I said, "winning" is a very subjective word here. Winning to me would be getting them (Ukraine) to comply or destruction of the country. Russia has no real ability to occupy and control large land spaces in hostile territory.

As I mentioned, I think Putin has been pretty nice, Kiev is still standing and much of the infrastructure of the country is intact.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It’s already a Pyrrhic victory at best. If they screw around and lose Crimea then they straight up got their asses kicked. But I’d guess Russia will actually fight for Crimea as many Russian military live there now and their families are there.
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Over 75% of people on Crimea belong to the Russian race.
 
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LouderVol said:
Why germany specifically? And why would hurting Germany be a particular goal?

Like I said, in order to avoid WWII they are redoing WWI thought processes. Which will just lead to the next WWII.
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Isn't Germany (Europe) funding this ****? LOL This would have been over 5 months ago, if everyone would have minded their own business.

Its the play stupid games, potentially win stupid prizes game.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I would say its half way to being a parking lot, they'll keep throwing dog **** until it is i.e. escalation.



Like I said, "winning" is a very subjective word here. Winning to me would be getting them (Ukraine) to comply or destruction of the country. Russia has no real ability to occupy and control large land spaces in hostile territory.

As I mentioned, I think Putin has been pretty nice, Kiev is still standing and much of the infrastructure of the country is intact.
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What is your obsession with dog poo?
 
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hog88 said:
What is your obsession with dog poo?
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Why is it an obsession? LOL Everyone called their military bad, dog crap seems like a good word. Everyone probably loved it until they found they're really agreeing with Putin on the issue.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Isn't Germany (Europe) funding this ****? LOL This would have been over 5 months ago, if everyone would have minded their own business.

Its the play stupid games, potentially win stupid prizes game.
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Germany's done more to fund russia than they have ukraine. So why isn't the UK the target?
 
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Why is it an obsession? LOL Everyone called their military bad, dog crap seems like a good word. Everyone probably loved it until they found they're really agreeing with Putin on the issue.
hog88 said:
Again, there is no such thing as the "Russian race".
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I would say generally "race" is a group of some type of dna origin, but the whole topic isn't really clear cut is it? A lot of times people will say things like "ethnicity" or similar.

At the end of the day, they believe they are Russian.

I love these stupid gotacha moments, like being back in the 6th grade.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You're making this very complicated when its not.

Ukraine is the neutral area, they shouldn't have troops in it from any side. If Ukraine is a part of NATO than they are NATO troops in the Ukraine. Those troops are free to invade Russia's border without a place for Russia to drop its tactical nukes.

Matter of fact, many in Congress in the late 90s were wondering why the US was investing so much in battle armor for Europe when the map had already been drawn to where Russia would simply drop tactical nukes.
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Right. And neutral Ukraine is what we had until Russia bought the Ukrainian president, and invaded their eastern provinces.

Otherwise Ukraine was no closer to joining NATO than they were in 2002.

And Russia could/would still nuke Ukraine incase WW3 broke put even with NATO troops in it. In fact that would be pretty smart. Let NATO invade. Drop a bunch of nukes behind them in Ukraine. Completely cutting off those NATO forces from resupply or evac, and being able to pick them apart. That way you would also hit the existing logistics in place to support the thrust. Wiping out all those supplies ready to support the attack, instead of letting them get strung out in a push across Ukraine.

*and all of this assumes Russia wouldnt be able to nuke Poland or wherever else the attack would come from. Because they can and thus it doesnt matter if Ukraine is involved or not except to Russias ego.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Prove me wrong
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The history of race, a complicated topic in any context, is particularly challenging to understand in Russia. In Russia, the term “race” has never been an official or legal category the way it was, and is, in many other modern countries. The Russian Empire’s nineteenth-century census takers asked respondents about their religious confession, but they did not ask about race (rasa), ethnicity (narodnost’) or nationality (natsional’nost’). Later, Soviet officials favoured the new and all-important categories of class and nationality over race, a fact touted as one of the marks of communism’s superiority over its race-obsessed rivals in the fascist and...
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Why is it an obsession? LOL Everyone called their military bad, dog crap seems like a good word. Everyone probably loved it until they found they're really agreeing with Putin on the issue.
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You are as insane as Donjo.
 
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apevol said:
The history of race, a complicated topic in any context, is particularly challenging to understand in Russia. In Russia, the term “race” has never been an official or legal category the way it was, and is, in many other modern countries. The Russian Empire’s nineteenth-century census takers asked respondents about their religious confession, but they did not ask about race (rasa), ethnicity (narodnost’) or nationality (natsional’nost’). Later, Soviet officials favoured the new and all-important categories of class and nationality over race, a fact touted as one of the marks of communism’s superiority over its race-obsessed rivals in the fascist and...
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Wow that’s a lot to unpack ape. Where did you get that info are you studied on this? Great post.
 
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LouderVol said:
Right. And neutral Ukraine is what we had until Russia bought the Ukrainian president, and invaded their eastern provinces.

Otherwise Ukraine was no closer to joining NATO than they were in 2002.
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The Ukraine was actively trying to join Nato, I'm not sure where that is coming from. They were also being supplied western equipment. But even if you were correct, if the military expanded further than Russia couldn't invade in the future to stop the Nato membership.

You guys say their military sucks, well, that is why they are there.... if they waited longer who knows. LOL
 
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