War in Ukraine

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tvolsfan said:
The difference is I think it's a bad thing in both instances. You only think it's bad for the USA to do it.
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The US did not have justification for many of these invasions. At least Russia waited 8 years before going in to save the people in Donbas and address the NATO threat on their border. Hell, we can't even get the US to GAF about its own southern border, yet we are being drained of billions trying to worry about Ukraine's border. Stupid as hell.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The US did not have justification for many of these invasions. At least Russia waited 8 years before going in to save the people in Donbas and address the NATO threat on their border. Hell, we can't even get the US to GAF about its own southern border, yet we are being drained of billions trying to worry about Ukraine's border. Stupid as hell.
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tvolsfan said:
I hope the Russian soldiers live long lives as long as they stay within their own borders.
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But that is not the whole story, the "their border" is only a thing because of the prior agreements... that is the only reason the Ukraine even exists in its current state. I mean is the United States in its own border with that base down in Cuba? I think the Cubans disagree.

The United States or their citizens criticizing what other countries do with their border or warfare is kind of funny and sad at the same time.
 
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tvolsfan said:
That's a funny way of saying Ukraine had agreed upon borders that Russia is unambiguously violating.
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Only if they comply with other parts of the agreement which Russia doesn't believe it being complied with and has said so for about 20 years. Either way, its their problem, not ours.

Cuba had no agreements with the United States, and the United State had a naval blockade. LOL
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Its not whataboutism. Its pointing out your hypocrisy. You shouldn't be pulling for ANY soldiers to be killed.
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It's not hypocrisy in the least. I discourage any young person that asks about joining the military and explain how they would be signing up just to be political pawns and not defenders of freedom. I would support our troops if they all just said "Nope" we're not going to Syria. I would support Russian troops if they said "Screw this, we're going home". However, and I'm not ashamed to admit it that when our boys get sent into harms way I want them all to come home unscathed because they are our boys regardless of what BS mission our politicians sent them on.

If you GAS about Russian troops you wouldn't be slobbering all over the man who sent them to their demise.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
So, you are saying invading Panama to kidnap the President might have been bad? I actually lose track of the insanity that is the United State foreign policy over the last 60 years.

(Its insane to see what people "support" when its their country doing the bad stuff, and why the rest of the world has its views of us.)
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That shouldn't have happened and I could understand a Nicaraguan hoping to see American boys stacked like cordwood. There is no hypocrisy there.
 
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hog88 said:
It's not hypocrisy in the least. I discourage any young person that asks about joining the military and explain how they would be signing up just to be political pawns and not defenders of freedom. I would support our troops if they all just said "Nope" we're not going to Syria. I would support Russian troops if they said "Screw this, we're going home". However, and I'm not ashamed to admit it that when our boys get sent into harms way I want them all to come home unscathed because they are our boys regardless of what BS mission our politicians sent them on.

If you GAS about Russian troops you wouldn't be slobbering all over the man who sent them to their demise.
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It's telling he can't defend Russia without comparing it to the worst aspects of the US, which seems like a tacit acceptance of how messed up Putin's Russia is. His arguments are often based on us blindly defending the US as he does with Russia, and if that doesn't work, he just starts reposting the same conspiracy theories.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The US did not have justification for many of these invasions. At least Russia waited 8 years before going in to save the people in Donbas and address the NATO threat on their border. Hell, we can't even get the US to GAF about its own southern border, yet we are being drained of billions trying to worry about Ukraine's border. Stupid as hell.
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Save the people in the Donbas? That's complete hogwash! It was Russia that was arming and supporting the rebellion in the Donbas, it is Russia's fault that people were getting killed in the Donbas.
 
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hog88 said:
Save the people in the Donbas? That's complete hogwash! It was Russia that was arming and supporting the rebellion in the Donbas, it is Russia's fault that people were getting killed in the Donbas.
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And even if the Russians in Donbas were being "persecuted," which they weren't, they were always free to pack up and move west across the border. No one was forcing them to stay there.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Why? Which of those countries are we trying to annex?
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Why is annexation the stipulation? The very fact that we invaded these areas is the point.

And LOL at you not having any kind of historical knowledge about "Ukraine". Outside of the past 30 years and briefly after WWI, there was no such thing as "Ukraine". Those lands have been under Russian or Soviet control since the days of Catherine the Great.
 
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hog88 said:
It's not hypocrisy in the least. I discourage any young person that asks about joining the military and explain how they would be signing up just to be political pawns and not defenders of freedom. I would support our troops if they all just said "Nope" we're not going to Syria. I would support Russian troops if they said "Screw this, we're going home". However, and I'm not ashamed to admit it that when our boys get sent into harms way I want them all to come home unscathed because they are our boys regardless of what BS mission our politicians sent them on.
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The best way to save the lives of troops is to not send them into harms way, genius. Obviously, the US GAF about US lives far less than even you want to admit.

hog88 said:
If you GAS about Russian troops you wouldn't be slobbering all over the man who sent them to their demise.
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Russia is fighting an existential threat on their border. The Obama State Department overthrew the democratically elected leader there in 2014 and established a govt in Kyiv that would be friendly to allowing NATO troops on Russia's doorsteps... not to mention the 8 years of Kyiv attacks on the people of Donbas. I wouldn't expect the US to sit idly by and allow Cuba or Mexico to join a military alliance with Russia or China, so why in the hell do you think Russia would allow the same on their border? And the US wouldn't stand for Americans living in Mexico to be attacked for 8 years, so why are you criticizing the Russians for doing the same?

I'm not sure if some of you take these hypocritical positions because you're just plain stupid or if you just have a visceral hatred of Russia/Russian people. And as I think about it, by you guys supporting Ukrainians being used as cannon fodder, I'm not so sure if you GAF about Ukrainians.
 
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evillawyer said:
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Typical... only trolling and ad hominem attacks. None of you have a leg to stand on in regards to this conflict. It is clear to anyone with an unbiased eye to see that the Kyiv govt and NATO are the evil ones here. After this is all said and done, let's hope both of them are dissolved and scattered in the wind.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The best way to save the lives of troops is to not send them into harms way, genius. Obviously, the US GAF about US lives far less than even you want to admit.


Russia is fighting an existential threat on their border. The Obama State Department overthrew the democratically elected leader there in 2014 and established a govt in Kyiv that would be friendly to allowing NATO troops on Russia's doorsteps... not to mention the 8 years of Kyiv attacks on the people of Donbas. I wouldn't expect the US to sit idly by and allow Cuba or Mexico to join a military alliance with Russia or China, so why in the hell do you think Russia would allow the same on their border? And the US wouldn't stand for Americans living in Mexico to be attacked for 8 years, so why are you criticizing the Russians for doing the same?

I'm not sure if some of you take these hypocritical positions because you're just plain stupid or if you just have a visceral hatred of Russia/Russian people. And as I think about it, by you guys supporting Ukrainians being used as cannon fodder, I'm not so sure if you GAF about Ukrainians.
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There was no threat to Russia, WTF was going to invade Russia?

Cuba has been in a military alliance with Russia since the 60's and why would Mexico even consider such an alliance? If Russia wasn't such a poor authoritarian dictatorship maybe the people in it's neighboring countries wouldn't be trying to distance themselves. Since the breakup of the USSR exactly how many of the client states have came clamoring back to mother Russia? As for allowing US citizens to be attacked in Mexico, yeah we have allowed that since the 80-90s when the war on drugs went into overdrive.

I don't hate the Russian people, I wish they would rise up and free themselves of Putin and take their country back. Not much different than what I wish our citizenry would do.
 
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hog88 said:
There was no threat to Russia, WTF was going to invade Russia?
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NATO moving to their borders is the threat. And after what you are seeing right now, not even you can continue to say with a straight face that there were not long term ambitions of some NATO members to use Ukraine as a launch point for some kind of action towards Russia. The US and UK have had it out for Russia (for whatever reason) for a while.

hog88 said:
I don't hate the Russian people, I wish they would rise up and free themselves of Putin and take their country back. Not much different than what I wish our citizenry would do.
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How about we worry about the tyrant we have over here and worry about our own borders before we start shipping tens of billions on the other side of the globe and poking two other nuclear powers?
 
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