War in Ukraine

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hog88 said:
Cuba has been in a military alliance with Russia since the 60's and why would Mexico even consider such an alliance? If Russia wasn't such a poor authoritarian dictatorship maybe the people in it's neighboring countries wouldn't be trying to distance themselves. Since the breakup of the USSR exactly how many of the client states have came clamoring back to mother Russia? As for allowing US citizens to be attacked in Mexico, yeah we have allowed that since the 80-90s when the war on drugs went into overdrive.
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What difference does it make "why" in the analogy I gave? The point is about the simple idea of them doing it. And btw, I wouldn't put it past AMLO to have entertained that idea if Biden remains in office much longer.
 
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hog88 said:
Cuba has been in a military alliance with Russia since the 60's and why would Mexico even consider such an alliance? If Russia wasn't such a poor authoritarian dictatorship maybe the people in it's neighboring countries wouldn't be trying to distance themselves. Since the breakup of the USSR exactly how many of the client states have came clamoring back to mother Russia? As for allowing US citizens to be attacked in Mexico, yeah we have allowed that since the 80-90s when the war on drugs went into overdrive.
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Coming from a guy that lives in a country that has a POTUS that considers half the country to be terrorists. You are a total clown right now.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And LOL at you not having any kind of historical knowledge about "Ukraine". Outside of the past 30 years and briefly after WWI, there was no such thing as "Ukraine". Those lands have been under Russian or Soviet control since the days of Catherine the Great.
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Literally irrelevant. The point is it was free and independent, and Russia couldn’t handle that. That’s all this is. A petty tyrant trying to undo his country’s Cold War defeat.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
NATO moving to their borders is the threat. And after what you are seeing right now, not even you can continue to say with a straight face that there were not long term ambitions of some NATO members to use Ukraine as a launch point for some kind of action towards Russia. The US and UK have had it out for Russia (for whatever reason) for a while.


How about were worry about the tyrant we have over here and worry about our own borders before we start shipping tens of billions on the other side of the globe and poking two other nuclear powers?
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Oh yeah, I can say that there is/was no threat by the US or NATO to launch military action against Russia. They still have functioning ICBMs so only a madman would invade a nuclear armed country. That excuse is asinine and not based on any reality.

I fully agree that we, the US taxpayer shouldn't be funding the Ukraine defensive effort. Europe should be footing the bill for Ukraine since it's in their backyard. And yes, I would love to see our tyrannical federal bureaucracy toppled and replaced with what the founders envisioned.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
NATO moving to their borders is the threat. And after what you are seeing right now, not even you can continue to say with a straight face that there were not long term ambitions of some NATO members to use Ukraine as a launch point for some kind of action towards Russia. The US and UK have had it out for Russia (for whatever reason) for a while.


How about were worry about the tyrant we have over here and worry about our own borders before we start shipping tens of billions on the other side of the globe and poking two other nuclear powers?
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America won't act against North Korea or Iran because nukes but NATO was going to launch an invasion against Russia? You honestly don't see the lunacy in that?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What difference does it make "why" in the analogy I gave? The point is about the simple idea of them doing it. And btw, I wouldn't put it past AMLO to have entertained that idea if Biden remains in office much longer.
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They wouldn't do it so the analogy doesn't work. Who in the world other than like-minded tyrants wants to ally with Russia with Putin pulling the strings?
 
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tvolsfan said:
Literally irrelevant. The point is it was free and independent, and Russia couldn’t handle that. That’s all this is. A petty tyrant trying to undo his country’s Cold War defeat.
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Ukraine ceased to be free and independent after the Obama State Department overthrew the democratically elected leader in 2014. Ukraine is essentially a NATO vassal state right now.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Typical... only trolling and ad hominem attacks. None of you have a leg to stand on in regards to this conflict. It is clear to anyone with an unbiased eye to see that the Kyiv govt and NATO are the evil ones here. After this is all said and done, let's hope both of them are dissolved and scattered in the wind.
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What countries did NATO and Ukraine invade and steal land from?
 
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apevol said:
America won't act against North Korea or Iran because nukes but NATO was going to launch an invasion against Russia? You honestly don't see the lunacy in that?
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Hey genius, I'm not sure if you have been paying attention, but we ARE fighting Russia right now through a proxy. That was the grand scheme all along... especially if they would have formally added Ukraine into NATO.

Tell me right now that the US is not at war with Russia right now. I want to see how big of a liar you want to be.
 
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hog88 said:
How am I a clown? I don't think I have ever posted anything in support of the man occupying the White House.
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You are a clown at this moment because you see the spot in Russia's eye when you need to be more concerned about the beam in your eye. This entire situation, at best, is a European problem... not ours. Tens of billions of dollars going down a rathole in the most corrupt country in Europe, silly azz sanctions that are crippling NATO countries more than Russia, and it all being orchestrated by the clowns in DC and London that DGAF about their citizens, Ukrainians or anybody else.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hey genius, I'm not sure if you have been paying attention, but we ARE fighting Russia right now through a proxy. That was the grand scheme all along... especially if they would have formally added Ukraine into NATO.

Tell me right now that the US is not at war with Russia right now. I want to see how big of a liar you want to be.
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No one is trying to take Moscow. Never were going to. Its decades of propoganda to keep power gone wrong.

We're doing less to "fight russia" than the soviets did fighting us in asia.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yes, because its the norm for countries at war to hand each other supplies, weapons, and cash. Its completely an economic war.
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if those countries are allied or neutral, yes. You look at any conflict in the last 200 if not 300 years and there are always other nations involved.

I can think of several wars, not world wars even though there are some interesting cases in 2, where civilian trade kept flowing. It wasnt really until the franco prussian war that "total" war became the norm where civilians became involved in the conflict beyond hosting the events. Heck war profiteering has been a huge business and it wasnt just that sides civilians doing it. People will always, and have always made money during war, even if it means working for the other side.

The Civil War is an at home example of this. Pretty much none of the arms manufacturers were located in the south, but most of them did business with the south.

It doesnt make sense to cut off trade of essentials because then as you are fighting you are also dealing with a civilian population in crisis, worse than the war itself. Unless you are in total war mode, which clearly Russia and Ukraine arent.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are a clown at this moment because you see the spot in Russia's eye when you need to be more concerned about the beam in your eye. This entire situation, at best, is a European problem... not ours. Tens of billions of dollars going down a rathole in the most corrupt country in Europe, silly azz sanctions that are crippling NATO countries more than Russia, and it all being orchestrated by the clowns in DC and London that DGAF about their citizens, Ukrainians or anybody else.
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Believe me I am much more concerned about what's going on here within our own country than what's happening in Russia/Ukraine. I just detest bullies and Putin is a bully that's getting a bloody nose and that is enjoyable to see.

I 100% agree that this is a European problem and (don't know how many times I have to say it) Europe should be footing the bill for Ukraine. As to corruption, yes absolutely the Ukrainian government is corrupt but no more-so than the Russian (Putin) government. Putin is robbing his citizens blind even worse than his Ukrainian counterpart and this is your blind-spot. There is nothing honorable or just in Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Oh and don't forget. These trolls believe Ukrainians are dying on their behalf as well.
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Ukrainians are dying (needlessly) to protect their sovereignty. It's something to be admired, not ridiculed - that these people would stand up for themselves against all odds. When I use the term needlessly, I'm referring to Putin's land grab pet project and aspirations of a "unified Russia" that he wants as a personal prize.

I feel like people who can't reconcile this must be either be french surrender monkeys or vandy fans.
 
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LouderVol said:
It doesnt make sense to cut off trade of essentials because then as you are fighting you are also dealing with a civilian population in crisis, worse than the war itself. Unless you are in total war mode, which clearly Russia and Ukraine arent.
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It always makes sense which is why sanctions, embargoes and blockades exist on top of war.

"Hey Japaneses, since you are running low on oil and you probably used some when bombing Pearl Harbor, here is some tankers of oil for sale."
 
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hog88 said:
There is nothing honorable or just in Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
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And still, you ignore the attacks on the people in Donbas and NATO moving into Ukraine and arming them to the teeth. One more time, if the US were in the same situation, we would have done the same. In fact, I will go one step further... had the US gone into a conflict on the same grounds as Russia, it would be unquestionably one of the more justifiable conflicts that we would have ever engaged in.
 
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Septic said:
Ukrainians are dying (needlessly) to protect their sovereignty. It's something to be admired, not ridiculed - that these people would stand up for themselves against all odds. When I use the term needlessly, I'm referring to Putin's land grab pet project and aspirations of a "unified Russia" that he want's a personal prize.

I feel like people who can't reconcile this must be either be french surrender monkeys or vandy fans.
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Calling someone a Vandy fan is a low blow. Do you have no limits?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
It always makes sense which is why sanctions, embargoes and blockades exist on top of war.

"Hey Japaneses, since you are running low on oil and you probably used some when bombing Pearl Harbor, here is some tankers of oil for sale."
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I wonder what Israel would do if the Straits of Tiran were blockaded?
 
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