War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
The point is that you look ridiculous and hypocritical saying anything about Russia when the US has done more invading of sovereignty countries and his heading down the path of tyranny far faster than Russia.

You guys act like Putin is Hitler or Mao, while screaming at the top of your lungs how good and virtuous America (allegedly) is.

Putin helped to bring back the Russian Orthodox church after 70+ years of communism. Is America seeing a revival in the church right now or are we a hedonistic and demonic country right now? Putin actually has helped to create a real domestic economy and has then essentially energy independent. Can the United States make that claim? In Putin's Russia, there are only 2 genders. Can you goofy American nuthuggers make that same claim?

In my lifetime, going back to Nixon, I would trade Putin for most of the POTUSs we had outside of Reagan and Trump. And depending on what day it is, I might even prefer him over Trump. Any attack you level at Putin can be equally leveled at the majority of the clowns we had on Pennsylvania Avenue. You all are just to dumb or bigoted to see the truth.
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Lmao “too dumb” not to want a fascist dictator who abuses his power and murders those who disagree with him. You are going even more insane these days
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Nobody is going to invade Russia in mass because of their strategy, hence the strategy. Hence the use of creep.
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They used the past 8 years to build the baddest and most experienced force in Europe by arming and training the Ukrainians. Outside of Turkey and the US, the Ukrainian army would beat any of the other NATO countries if they went head to head. 8 years of build up... the problem is that Russia was building up, as well. I think The West underestimated the strength and resolve of the Russians ability to fight a conflict like this. Russia would not have been ready for this campaign had it occurred in 2014.
Also with regards to "creep", look at a map since the first round of NATO expansions. It is clearly intended on encircling Russia and being able to place nuclear warheads right up to Russia's borders... as well as conventional assets.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Which is it: Are you drunk or are you high right now?
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I've been drunk once in well over six months, at a going away party for an old co-worker. Haven't been high in 3 weeks. Thought about it after the Pitt game but got distracted arguing with a russian girl, of all things.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
They have no such agreements with Finland. They don't necessarily have a so so about what NATO does other than the Ukraine. LOL

This isn't complex, you might not like it or agree with it... but everyone knows why they attacked. You might not like it and they don't really care. 20+ years of warnings.
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Pootin wanted more land and thought he could just take it, like he did with Crimea.

He thought wrong.

Anyone trying to foist the "NATO" and Nazi excuses are effing morons. No one is buying it, stop trying to sell it.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Whataboutism and their famous "non-sequitur" is the common tactic some in here use when they can't admit they lost a debate.
Of course I love using both terms to mock certain people in here. The funniest is when they use those terms after they already used at least a half dozen non sequiturs themselves lol.
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You bozos are trying to mock those responses without even realizing why they're self defeating.

Being proud of and shrugging off logical fallacies while thumping your chest makes you look dumb. But whatever, you do you - clearly this is an arena where you feel the most comfortable.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They used the past 8 years to build the baddest and most experienced force in Europe by arming and training the Ukrainians. Outside of Turkey and the US, the Ukrainian army would beat any of the other NATO countries if they went head to head. 8 years of build up... the problem is that Russia was building up, as well. I think The West underestimated the strength and resolve of the Russians ability to fight a conflict like this. Russia would not have been ready for this campaign had it occurred in 2014.
Also with regards to "creep", look at a map since the first round of NATO expansions. It is clearly intended on encircling Russia and being able to place nuclear warheads right up to Russia's borders... as well as conventional assets.
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Pre War...

Russian Borey class submarine carrying 160 nukes on board surfaced off US coast

Russia's Yasen-class missile subs have impressed and worried NATO for years, and now Moscow may build more of them

Lets not act like the Russians are friendly as they have thousands of nukes aimed at you and me right now....long before NATO expansionist plans. 10 minutes out from even moderate target range.
 
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DonjoVol said:
That's BS. A few of the trolls on here, yourself possibly included, have made statements such as "Russians are getting killed and we aren't even sending our own troops to do it". So the statement I made is not absurd based on the posting history of the Ukrainian trolls here.

And by the way. You and two others responded to my statement when I mentioned trolls. So I'm glad to see you and two others actually admit to be trolls now. Thank you Proctor.
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I'm a huge fan of watching Russia get sh*t on militarily with weapons my tax dollars bought without America's sons and daughters being put in harms way.

10/10 sign me up for this ride every time.

If this trolling, I'm ok with your labeling of me as such. I'll allow it.
 
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MontyPython said:
Russia continues to run out of critical weapons.
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WATCH: White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre says Ukraine using U.S. weapons 'with great effect'

So which is it? back in March they were saying that Russia only had two weeks of weapons stockpiles left. Now they are saying Russia has plenty to fight in Ukraine and elsewhere.

Momentum has switched back and forth before, and Ukraine’s American allies were careful not to declare a premature victory since Russian President Vladimir Putin still has troops and resources to tap.

“Mr. Putin still has an awful lot of military capacity left at his disposal, not just to be used in Ukraine, but but potentially elsewhere,” Kirby said.
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Orangeburst said:
Pre War...

Russian Borey class submarine carrying 160 nukes on board surfaced off US coast

Russia's Yasen-class missile subs have impressed and worried NATO for years, and now Moscow may build more of them

Lets not act like the Russians are friendly as they have thousands of nukes aimed at you and me right now....long before NATO expansionist plans. 10 minutes out from even moderate target range.
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That is true. But here is the problem. Right now, I have more faith in The Russians not kicking off a nuclear conflict than I do the Biden administration or Liz Truss. Also, as far as I know, Russia doesn't have a history of using nuclear weapons in combat.
 
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Septic said:
I'm a huge fan of watching Russia get sh*t on militarily with weapons my tax dollars bought without America's sons and daughters being put in harms way.

10/10 sign me up for this ride every time.
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Wouldn't diplomacy be a far more desirable and cost effective way of resolving these issues?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is true. But here is the problem. Right now, I have more faith in The Russians not kicking off a nuclear conflict than I do the Biden administration or Liz Truss. Also, as far as I know, Russia doesn't have a history of using nuclear weapons in combat.
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Putin has his back to the wall..as you said just by the expansionist NATO policy.
Personally I think Ukraine is corrupt and the consequence of nuclear war over this regional war is absurd.
Just the fallout already is gonna cost hundreds of billions+
I hope this thing ends soon with cooler heads prevailing.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What do you mean untenable? I've gotten a bunch of this right on the nose since 2014. The one mistake I made in February was I didn't believe Joe Biden when he kept saying that Russia would invade around February 15th of this year and instead took the word of 3elensky who was pouring cold water on the idea. I had no idea 3elesky was a bigger BS artist than Biden. But outside of that, I have been warning you guys for years that the US playing this sanctions game was going to backfire on them if they go that rout. I told you guys that Europe had no reliable, cheap alternatives to Russian energy and all you clowns kept talking about was America could ship LNG to Europe. Well how is that working out? I told you guys that this was going to be a resource drain and a money pit if we continued down this path... And since about the 3rd or 4th day of this conflict, it became clear that Russia was winning this conflict... and the maps bare that out right now. Now the only thing left to wonder is if Europe will be able to eat and heat this winter and if Putin will be able to not only demilitarize Ukraine, but all of NATO as well.
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You can correct me if I'm wrong (so can anyone else) I don't remember you quibbling over the date russia would invade. I remember you saying they weren't going to invade.

As far as it being clear that russia is winning...even discounting the recent counterattack, they've spent months with marginally more than they started with on day 0. And that counterattack you dismiss out of hand has chewed up more land than Russia took since april. Something is wrong. Maybe those gains are all lost again shortly, but until they are (and you have no way of knowing that) the picture you've painted is completely distorted.
 
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apevol said:
You can correct me if I'm wrong (so can anyone else) I don't remember you quibbling over the date russia would invade. I remember you saying they weren't going to invade.
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Yeah, that is what I'm talking about. I knew Biden was a liar and couldn't be trusted, so I assumed that 3elensky was likely telling the truth about them not preparing for an invasion.
 
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apevol said:
As far as it being clear that russia is winning...even discounting the recent counterattack, they've spent months with marginally more than they started with on day 0. And that counterattack you dismiss out of hand has chewed up more land than Russia took since april. Something is wrong. Maybe those gains are all lost again shortly, but until they are (and you have no way of knowing that) the picture you've painted is completely distorted.
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The reason why the Russians have been grinding along slowly since Lysychansk and Severodonetsk were liberated is because the Ukrainian forces have been held up in fortified positions. It appears for now that this counteroffensive by Ukraine has taken them from those protected fortifications and now is making it easier for the Russians to take care of them out in the open. I'm on the fence on whether I believe this was some great plan by the Russians to draw them out. Some analysts are saying that is what it is, a few others are doubting this. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I think they may have expected some sort of counteroffensive, but the Ukrainians may have brought a bit more to the table or they caught them off-guard in some manner. Also, the Russians reportedly made some shuffling of commanders after the fact and you even had Ramzan Kadyrov complaining about the Kharkiv offensive this weekend. I think in the next week or so, we will know if this was really a momentum swing for the Ukrainians or if it was similar to the previous offensive on Kharkiv a few months ago that fizzled out after they claimed to have pushed the Russians to the border north of town.

As far as the much talked about Kherson offensive, that is pretty much dead in the water. Nobody wants to mention that debacle in Western media. The Washington Post is the only one I've seen thus far that gave a gruesome tale about the huge losses that Ukraine suffered in that region.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The reason why the Russians have been grinding along slowly since Lysychansk and Severodonetsk were liberated is because the Ukrainian forces have been held up in fortified positions. It appears for now that this counteroffensive by Ukraine has taken them from those protected fortifications and now is making it easier for the Russians to take care of them out in the open. I'm on the fence on whether I believe this was some great plan by the Russians to draw them out. Some analysts are saying that is what it is, a few others are doubting this. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I think they may have expected some sort of counteroffensive, but the Ukrainians may have brought a bit more to the table or they caught them off-guard in some manner. Also, the Russians reportedly made some shuffling of commanders after the fact and you even had Ramzan Kadyrov complaining about the Kharkiv offensive this weekend. I think in the next week or so, we will know if this was really a momentum swing for the Ukrainians or if it was similar to the previous offensive on Kharkiv a few months ago that fizzled out after they claimed to have pushed the Russians to the border north of town.

As far as the much talked about Kherson offensive, that is pretty much dead in the water. Nobody wants to mention that debacle in Western media. The Washington Post is the only one I've seen thus far that gave a gruesome tale about the huge losses that Ukraine suffered in that region.
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Watching The Rings of Power.

Thinking you're an orc.

Good luck with that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, that is what I'm talking about. I knew Biden was a liar and couldn't be trusted, so I assumed that 3elensky was likely telling the truth about them not preparing for an invasion.
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Fair enough. but Putin still proved Biden right. After much of the world scoffing at the idea it would happen.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You're right. We are not forced to deal with them. And they are not forced to deal with us either.

But you guys aren't being very bright wishing for any kind of confrontation with China or messing with them economically in any way.
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Im wishing for a confrontation Curly? I have to buy their crap?
 
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apevol said:
Ras has been here all along and he and I do not agree by any stretch, overall, but he is capable of arguing a position and I can respect some of the points he makes.

BOT is the same idiot he's always been and shows up just to he a miserable **** whining about what everyone else thinks.

volgr literally sounds like an overly patriotic immature russian boy from csgo or some other online game with stars in his eyes over Russian tech.

Clifton is on acid.

SIU is a ****in whackadoo. Dude quoted Lewis Carroll at me en route to blocking me after babbling casually of tactical nukes, dog **** and stupid white people for a couple weeks.

Donjo has become little more than a pathetic sycophant clinging to Ras's boot straps without ever forming a coherent thought of his own.
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Spot on
 
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Septic said:
I'm a huge fan of watching Russia get sh*t on militarily with weapons my tax dollars bought without America's sons and daughters being put in harms way.

10/10 sign me up for this ride every time.

If this trolling, I'm ok with your labeling of me as such. I'll allow it.
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I think we are committing too much money too fast but there is no way in hell we pass up just writing a check to destroy Russia. Absolutely no way. And we will never see ROI this high on foreign aid money in our lifetimes.
 
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